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U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« on: January 07, 2008, 11:10:37 AM »
What a lucky break.  The Iranian Navy "threatening" U.S. warships in "international waters" just in time to boost McCain's campaign way over the top and kill Obama's and Edwards' at the same time.   Then it's McCain vs. Hillary.  Tough times.  Vote for The Warrior.  No time for civilians now, esp. of the female persuasion.

What's hilarious is not that the Navy came through for one of its own.  What's hilarious is how the sheeple buy this horseshit time after time after time. 

It also occurred to me as I watched CNN's announcement of this "event" this morning just how much the MSM are part of the bullshit machine.  The "news" is read out by a stern-faced and stern-voiced lady announcer to the "anchor," Heidi Collins or Kollins, who receives the news equally stern-faced, especially the part about "international waters" in fact goes out of her way to emphasize that aspect of it, pointing out that this is not a case like that of the British sailors arrested in questionable areas, this "was" in international waters.  All accepted as fact, not a word of doubt or demand for more details, no reminders of past Navy lies meant to lead to war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident being the most memorable.  Just the dead-serious demeanour, the stern and serious voices, the unquestioning acceptance of the Navy's version.  Scary.
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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2008, 01:45:34 PM »
I guess since accusing them of making nuclear weapons didn't stick...
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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2008, 02:24:58 PM »
I guess we have back channel access to the Iranians. How could McLain coordinate the timing of this otherwise. 

Or are you saying it didn't happen?

They didn't kidnap the brit sailors either, is that it?

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2008, 03:45:55 PM »
<<Or are you saying it didn't happen?>>

BINGO!!!

<<They didn't kidnap the brit sailors either, is that it?>>

They made a lawful arrest after the Brits entered their territorial waters. 

But I was thinking more Tonkin Gulf - - they either make stuff up or they provoke it.  Purely for propaganda purposes.  Please don't deny that.  You'll only damage your own credibility.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2008, 04:04:41 PM »
Satellite imagery shows the brits were not in iranian waters.

And you have no proof that mclain had a damn thing to do with the incident today.


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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2008, 04:17:15 PM »
<<Satellite imagery shows the brits were not in iranian waters.>>

That's bullshit too.  In the First Gulf War "satellite photos" were used by the U.S. military to "prove" that "Iraqi troops" were massing on the Saudi border.  The St. Petersburg Times proved that the photos were fakes and I believe Colin Powell later had to apologize to the UN for using fake photos.

<<And you have no proof that mclain had a damn thing to do with the incident today.>>

McCain?  The little twerp wouldn't go near it.  IMHO, this is something the Navy probably cooked up all on their own to help out one of their own.  If McCain could ever be proven to have any connection to any of this bullshit, his career would be toast.  Bad enough to lie the country into a war for oil, but to risk it for one's own political career advancement must cross some kind of a line that even the U.S. sheeple wouldn't forgive.

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 04:57:05 PM »
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McCain?  The little twerp wouldn't go near it.  IMHO, this is something the Navy probably cooked up all on their own to help out one of their own.

Maybe it was the jews

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 05:21:55 PM »
<<Maybe it was the jews>>

You bet on the Jews, I'll bet on the Navy.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 06:26:03 PM »
or maybe it happened, like they say it did.


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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 07:32:49 PM »
Anything's possible, BT.  Even that.

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2008, 01:23:58 PM »
This is Jesus' General's take on the situation (at least I think it is).

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/old-man-harrington-has-big-stick-and.html
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2008, 08:04:39 PM »
<<This is Jesus' General's take on the situation (at least I think it is).>>

Pretty much a replay of the Gulf of Tonkin.  They provoke the incident, then bitch about how they were "almost attacked."  Only this time, I think the objective was political only and was aimed at the U.S. election.  Gulf of Tonkin, the lying bastards actually succeeded in manufacturing the pretext for a war that took two million Vietnamese lives.

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2008, 09:53:38 PM »
Recordings Show Iran-US Clash in Gulf


Jan 8, 4:29 PM (ET)

By SEBASTIAN ABBOT and LOLITA C. BALDOR

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Video and audio recordings clearly show Iranian boats confronting U.S. Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, and a voice speaking in heavily-accented English can be heard threatening that the American vessels were going to explode, military officials said Tuesday.

The incident, which President Bush denounced Tuesday as a "provocative act," was videotaped by a crew member on the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper, one of the three ships that faced down five Iranian boats in a flare-up early Sunday.

The recordings were described by several military officials who viewed them. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the recordings were still being reviewed and had not been released to the public.

"It is a dangerous situation," Bush said during a White House news conference. "They should not have done it, pure and simple. ... I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."

At the Pentagon, defense officials were working to release about five minutes of video and audio that show several small boats as well as the U.S. ships involved in the clash. The Hopper was in the lead as the ships were moving through the Strait of Hormuz.

Military officials said the audio recording includes both threats and transmissions from the Iranians, as well as U.S. Navy transmissions. The audio and video recordings were made separately, and initially covered much of the more than 20 minute confrontation, but were pulled together and combined by the Navy, the officials said.

The top U.S. Navy commander in the Gulf said an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Monday. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and then fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff said. No shots were fired.

In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry suggested the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels. Spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident. "That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," he told the state news agency IRNA.

Cosgriff disputed Iranian claims that the incident was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.

The confrontation was an unusual flare-up of U.S.-Iranian tensions in the Persian Gulf as Bush prepared to leave Tuesday evening on an eight-day Mideast trip designed in part to counter Iran's influence in the region. Bush is expected to discuss the U.S. posture toward Tehran with Arab allies also worried about Tehran's desire for greater regional power.

Many Arab countries fear the Iranian-American rivalry could erupt into a military confrontation that would put them in the crossfire and hurt vital Gulf oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that its high-speed boats never threatened the U.S. vessels during the encounter, insisting it only asked them to identify themselves, then let them continue into the Gulf. A Guards commander defended his force's right to identify ships in the sensitive waterway.

Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf and is based in nearby Bahrain, said the American vessels had already been identified by Iranian authorities earlier in the day before the confrontation occurred.

"The group had been successfully queried by an Iranian ship, possibly a Revolutionary Guards ship, and two or three Iranian (shore) stations and an Omani station," Cosgriff told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Tuesday.

The U.S. commander also pointed out that the American ships were clearly marked and the incident took place during the day when they could be seen. "I can't help but conclude that it was provocative," Cosgriff said.

"There is video" of the incident, Cosgriff said. "We're using it as part of our assessment. That will be made available in due course, as well as the audio."

The Pentagon has said the U.S. ships were on the verge of opening fire on the Iranian boats when they fled.

Cosgriff said the five Iranian boats, outfitted with outboard motors and carrying three to four people each, rapidly approached three U.S. warships - the Hopper, cruiser USS Port Royal and frigate USS Ingraham.

Two of the Iranian boats went to the ship's left side, three to the right, he said. The two on the left "were more energetic and made a number of runs toward the lead ship, the USS Hopper."

As the two boats did so, Hopper's crew heard a radio call threatening that the U.S. ships would "explode." The two boats dumped boxes into the water.

However, U.S. military officials, including Cosgriff, said they have not been able to definitively connect the radio call with one of the Revolutionary Guards boats.

"The ships were close enough to shore that the call could have come from a shore station, it could have come from another boat," said Cdr. Lydia Robertson, the 5th Fleet spokeswoman. "But the call did happen while the small boats were there."

Senior Revolutionary Guards commander Ali Reza Tangsiri said Iran had the right to ask any ships to identify themselves upon entering or leaving the Persian Gulf.

"It is a basic responsibility of patrolling units of the Revolutionary Guards to take necessary interception measures toward any vessels entering into the waters of the Persian Gulf," Tangsiri said, according to the Mehr news agency.

Cosgriff objected to Iranian attempts to downplay the incident.

"I hope from this lesson they realize that we are concerned by small, high-speed vessels," said Cosgriff. I hope they understand we will take those actions we deem appropriate to defend our ships and our sailors."

Riad Kahwaji, a Dubai-based analyst with the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, said Iran may have been seeking to send a "political message" to Arab Gulf states to highlight the dangers of military confrontation.

"When somebody gets so close to a big ship then he's very likely asking for trouble or trying to provoke something," he said. "Opening fire means sparking a war ... Does anyone really want to take that risk?"

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080108/D8U1UNM80.html

http://clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/487307?wpid=1904

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2008, 12:05:44 AM »
Buncha BS.  The Iranians say the incident is "normal" and happens "every now and then,"  but the Amerikan media has the vice-admiral denying that the incident was "routine," a claim the Iranians never made.

Obviously the Iranians got it right and the media and/or the Navy are trying to massage this into another "attack" on the U.S.A. by Iran.

That the incident was probably provoked by the U.S. Navy is given away in this little nugget:  <<The top U.S. Navy commander in the Gulf said an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Monday.>> 

"near but outside" my ass.  The day that those lying bastards ever tell the truth about one of their provocations will be the day that Hell freezes over.

Also if anyone heard the tape with the strangely distorted and (IMHO) altered voice threatening explosion  in a slow-motion, almost stoned manner, it's almost impossible to accept this as the product of an emotion-charged edge-of-combat situation, delivered from a small attack boat charging full speed at the U.S. Navy.  Wanna bet that at least the audio tape will turn out to be a manufactured artefact, and that it was Amerikan-made at that?

Had the vice-admiral simply agreed with the Iranians that incidents like that happen every now and then, the whole thing would have stayed in perspective but McCain wouldn't have gotten the bounce that this little charade delivered.

Just goes to show ya - - bad politics make bad theatre.

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Re: U.S. Navy Comes Through for McCain, Son & Grandson of Admirals
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2008, 12:28:39 AM »
Recordings Show Iran-US Clash in Gulf


Jan 8, 4:29 PM (ET)

By SEBASTIAN ABBOT and LOLITA C. BALDOR

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Video and audio recordings clearly show Iranian boats confronting U.S. Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, and a voice speaking in heavily-accented English can be heard threatening that the American vessels were going to explode, military officials said Tuesday.

The incident, which President Bush denounced Tuesday as a "provocative act," was videotaped by a crew member on the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper, one of the three ships that faced down five Iranian boats in a flare-up early Sunday.

The recordings were described by several military officials who viewed them. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the recordings were still being reviewed and had not been released to the public.

"It is a dangerous situation," Bush said during a White House news conference. "They should not have done it, pure and simple. ... I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."

At the Pentagon, defense officials were working to release about five minutes of video and audio that show several small boats as well as the U.S. ships involved in the clash. The Hopper was in the lead as the ships were moving through the Strait of Hormuz.

Military officials said the audio recording includes both threats and transmissions from the Iranians, as well as U.S. Navy transmissions. The audio and video recordings were made separately, and initially covered much of the more than 20 minute confrontation, but were pulled together and combined by the Navy, the officials said.

The top U.S. Navy commander in the Gulf said an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Monday. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and then fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff said. No shots were fired.

In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry suggested the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels. Spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident. "That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," he told the state news agency IRNA.

Cosgriff disputed Iranian claims that the incident was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.

The confrontation was an unusual flare-up of U.S.-Iranian tensions in the Persian Gulf as Bush prepared to leave Tuesday evening on an eight-day Mideast trip designed in part to counter Iran's influence in the region. Bush is expected to discuss the U.S. posture toward Tehran with Arab allies also worried about Tehran's desire for greater regional power.

Many Arab countries fear the Iranian-American rivalry could erupt into a military confrontation that would put them in the crossfire and hurt vital Gulf oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that its high-speed boats never threatened the U.S. vessels during the encounter, insisting it only asked them to identify themselves, then let them continue into the Gulf. A Guards commander defended his force's right to identify ships in the sensitive waterway.

Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf and is based in nearby Bahrain, said the American vessels had already been identified by Iranian authorities earlier in the day before the confrontation occurred.

"The group had been successfully queried by an Iranian ship, possibly a Revolutionary Guards ship, and two or three Iranian (shore) stations and an Omani station," Cosgriff told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Tuesday.

The U.S. commander also pointed out that the American ships were clearly marked and the incident took place during the day when they could be seen. "I can't help but conclude that it was provocative," Cosgriff said.

"There is video" of the incident, Cosgriff said. "We're using it as part of our assessment. That will be made available in due course, as well as the audio."

The Pentagon has said the U.S. ships were on the verge of opening fire on the Iranian boats when they fled.

Cosgriff said the five Iranian boats, outfitted with outboard motors and carrying three to four people each, rapidly approached three U.S. warships - the Hopper, cruiser USS Port Royal and frigate USS Ingraham.

Two of the Iranian boats went to the ship's left side, three to the right, he said. The two on the left "were more energetic and made a number of runs toward the lead ship, the USS Hopper."

As the two boats did so, Hopper's crew heard a radio call threatening that the U.S. ships would "explode." The two boats dumped boxes into the water.

However, U.S. military officials, including Cosgriff, said they have not been able to definitively connect the radio call with one of the Revolutionary Guards boats.

"The ships were close enough to shore that the call could have come from a shore station, it could have come from another boat," said Cdr. Lydia Robertson, the 5th Fleet spokeswoman. "But the call did happen while the small boats were there."

Senior Revolutionary Guards commander Ali Reza Tangsiri said Iran had the right to ask any ships to identify themselves upon entering or leaving the Persian Gulf.

"It is a basic responsibility of patrolling units of the Revolutionary Guards to take necessary interception measures toward any vessels entering into the waters of the Persian Gulf," Tangsiri said, according to the Mehr news agency.

Cosgriff objected to Iranian attempts to downplay the incident.

"I hope from this lesson they realize that we are concerned by small, high-speed vessels," said Cosgriff. I hope they understand we will take those actions we deem appropriate to defend our ships and our sailors."

Riad Kahwaji, a Dubai-based analyst with the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, said Iran may have been seeking to send a "political message" to Arab Gulf states to highlight the dangers of military confrontation.

"When somebody gets so close to a big ship then he's very likely asking for trouble or trying to provoke something," he said. "Opening fire means sparking a war ... Does anyone really want to take that risk?"

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080108/D8U1UNM80.html

http://clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/487307?wpid=1904




One of those dangerous boats was powered by two Mercury outboards.l

Only Bush could use the word "provocative" in the face of such absurdity.

To gain perspective, perhaps Bush could sit down and watch "The Mouse That Roared."