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Obama's Win Reshapes the Race
« on: January 27, 2008, 11:46:32 AM »
Saturday, Jan. 26, 2008
Obama's Win Reshapes the Race
By Karen Tumulty

There was only way to describe Barack Obama's victory over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in South Carolina: It was a rout. "After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans that we've seen in a long, long time," Obama declared at his victory celebration in Columbia. "There are young and old; rich and poor. They are black and white; Latino and Asian and Native American. They are Democrats from Des Moines and Independents from Concord, and yes, some Republicans from rural Nevada and we've got young people from all across this country who've never had a reason to participate until now."

Obama's impressive win meant all the more given the nature of politics in South Carolina, a state whose history is fraught with race and class. Some observers wondered if the state's voters were becoming more racially polarized in the final days before the primary. That speculation was fueled by one late McClatchy/MSNBC survey that suggested Obama could expect to receive no more than 10% of the white vote, half of what the same poll had shown only a week before. But Obama instead won about a quarter of the white vote overall, and around half of young white voters, on his way to a commanding 55% of the total vote (Clinton finished second with roughly 27% and Edwards came in third with 18%). The excitement around Obama's candidacy pushed turnout to record levels ? a kind of surge, says Obama strategist Cornell Belcher, that "is something only Barack Obama is capable of bringing to the table."

It is a powerful message for the Illinois Senator to take into the Super Tuesday round of primaries on February 5. "In nine days-nine short days ? nearly half the nation will have the chance to join us in saying that we are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, we are hungry for change, and we are ready to believe again," Obama declared. His South Carolina victory will be topped by an endorsement by Caroline Kennedy, in a Sunday New York Times op-ed headlined: "A President Like My Father." The move will serve as a powerful, symbolic counter to the most visible surrogate in this race, Bill Clinton ? the boy whose own political awakening famously came when he shook JFK's hand as a 16-year-old as part of an American Legion Boy's Nation visit to the nation's capital.

Still, the sobering reality for the Obama campaign is that Clinton's massive organization will present a formidable challenge in the 20-plus states that will be voting on February 5. Clinton, knowing that bad news was coming, didn't even hold a final rally for her supporters in South Carolina; shortly after the polls closed, her campaign plane was headed for Tennessee. She issued a terse written statement noting that she had called Obama to "wish him well," and adding, "We now turn our attention to the millions of Americans who will make their voices heard in Florida and the twenty-two states as well as American Samoa who will vote on February 5th." Bill Clinton, at a rally in Missouri, added: "Now we go to February 5, when millions of Americans finally get in the act."

The former President was actually the first Clinton to speak in the wake of Obama's triumph Saturday evening, and it only underscored how his outsized, vocal presence on the trail has threatened to overshadow his wife. Earlier in the day, Clinton had churlishly compared Obama's victory to that of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, a remark that will likely further fuel disaffection about the Clintons amongst African-American voters. There was evidence that Obama's victory was also a repudiation of the brand of hard-knuckled politics that both Clintons had brought to the South Carolina contest. Exit polls indicated that Bill Clinton's campaigning made a difference to about 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters. But of those voters, 47% went for Barack Obama, while only 38% went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent voted for John Edwards. The Obama campaign gleefully noted that in the mostly black precincts that Bill Clinton visted in Greenville, as much as 80% of the vote went to Obama.

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Re: Obama's Win Reshapes the Race
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 03:21:45 PM »
It's a shame that Clinton has to use her husband for her defense mechanism.

Nice article, Prof.

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Re: Obama's Win Reshapes the Race
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 03:25:54 PM »
Different subject: how do you like it there in NM, Cynthia?

I have always wanted to live in the Southwest. Beautiful countryside.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 12:20:42 PM »
<<"After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans that we've seen in a long, long time," Obama declared at his victory celebration in Columbia. "There are young and old; rich and poor. They are black and white; Latino and Asian and Native American. They are Democrats from Des Moines and Independents from Concord, and yes, some Republicans from rural Nevada and we've got young people from all across this country who've never had a reason to participate until now.">>

That's inspiring.  Let him continue speaking that way.  Hillary can't come close to that kind of oratory.  And the reason is, from him it's genuine.  From her, it wouldn't ring true.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 12:23:05 PM »
>>"... people from all across this country who've never had a reason to participate until now."<<

What reason is that?

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 12:26:38 PM »
<<What reason is that?>>

The reason that their efforts and votes could make a difference.  Hard to see it when all the candidates are singing from the same songbook. 

Obama's not the same-ol' same-ol'.  (He may turn out to be in the end, but nobody knows that yet.)

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 02:50:37 PM »
The question is, what is it about Barak Hussien Obama that moves people to participate that haven't done so before?

What's the message? What does he advocate? Why vote for him rather than Mrs. Clinton?

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 02:54:16 PM »
I have always wanted to live in the Southwest. Beautiful countryside.
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It sorta depends on where. The scenery between Alamagordo and Tularosa is less than spectacular. The highways into Carlsbad from any direction consist of flat scrub, with one plant every 20 and a lot of sagebrush roaming about whichever the way the wind blows them.

Except for the Palo Duro Canyon and the Big Bend country, all of Texas west of Abilene is flat, dull and pretty damned unspectacular.

The mountains down the center of the NM are very nice, as are the Balck Range around Silver City. Eastern NM is like the Texas Panhandle: flat and boring scrubland, studded with sage, prickley pears and the odd mesquite.

One must drive through a lot of dreadfully boring scenery before one gets to something worth looking at.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 03:01:49 PM »
The question is, what is it about Barak Hussien Obama that moves people to participate that haven't done so before?

What's the message? What does he advocate? Why vote for him rather than Mrs. Clinton?
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AS you mentioned, he has an evil Islamofascist middle name. If Rodhame were an evil Islamofascist name, you would have mentioned that too, as we all know.

If we are to have change in the US, a landslide is needed. We got Social security when FDR clobbered Hoover, and a Civil Rights Bill when LBJ creamed Goldwater.

We don't get anything like this when the GOP (being basically reactionary) smothers the opposition: when Nixon clobbered McGovern, we didn;t get rid of Vietnam until Nixon was thrown out in disgrace.

Obama has the potential for causing a landslide. Hillary has too many negatives because she has been around too long. Obama seems to be the best hope for a clear landslide and  as new a vision as the country has had since JFK.

I would prefer an Edwards landslide, because Edwards views are much more well-defined than Obama's, but this does not seem likely.




 
 
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 03:14:11 PM »
<<What's the message? What does he advocate? Why vote for him rather than Mrs. Clinton?>>

Well, those are legitimate questions.  He doesn't have a message.  He doesn't advocate anything specific.  So there's a possibility he could turn out to be nothing special and nothing new.

Hillary is tied into the DLC and the old Democratic Party.  Couldn't have said it better than that picture of her with Madeleine Albright, Wesley Clark and Bill  all pressed in behind her.  So we know what comes with Hillary.

Obama showed he was different when he didn't support the war, which Hillary and Kerry supported.  He also hasn't made the "pledge of allegiance" which all the mainstream Democrats have made so far to Israel and the Zionist movement.  So there is at least the possibility of a new direction in Mideast policy, which the other candidates have closed off already.  A realistic policy where America's interests come first and last and there's no room for Israeli interests in the picture.  It's possible that Obama, having promised nothing to anyone, could just continue the same old tired Republocrat Middle East policy, but if he's as new and as fresh as he claims he is, then there could well be a new day dawning in the Middle East.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 03:43:51 PM »
Different subject: how do you like it there in NM, Cynthia?

I have always wanted to live in the Southwest. Beautiful countryside.

Hey Prof!
I love it here. The southwest has been my home for my entire life. The terrain is desert and mountain with elevation 5000 ft and another 5K feet at the top of our Sandia Mountain.
The weather is a bit like Flagstaff...but basically we have it all here in the State.

You and you wife should come out. I'll show you the town.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 04:02:47 PM »
XO,
True the east side of the state is Texas.....ugly~
ha.

There is so much beauty here and primarily because of the color....color across the mesas, color across the mountains, and hues and brilliance all through the skies. One could spend weeks in the Rocky Mountain range to the north. Skiing in Red River, Taos valley....awesome. Then there's the Native Culture. I usually take my students to Acoma Pueblo every year. This year I have an Acoma student in my room....so we are going for sure~ (google Acoma).

 The part that Xavier described is the worst of the worst, but I would think that every place has some sort of "worst". Those people who have traveled here from the east appreciate the vastness and the beauty in the areas that hold such 'awe'. There is awe in sagebrush, and desert, as well...eye of the beholder there too.
Taos, Santa Fe, Las Vegas NM, and the valley along the Rio Grande offer so very much.

It's a large State and there really is so much to enjoy.
My mother is an artist. My mom's painting is the picture I have up on my profile.  I can't think of a better place to live for any artist who wants to put the water to the color, and the oil to the canvas.  Georgia O'keeffe, and others have lived here. The atom bomb was born here....sort of speak. ha!

Los Alamos is a quaint egghead town.

If there were a place to post photos here on the board, I sould send ya some.

Arizona is nice, too....as is Utah and Colorado, but this New Mexico is very very unique, indeed.

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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 10:07:08 PM »
I think Lanya once called New Mexico home...am I right, Lanya?

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 12:10:28 AM »
I was graduated from NMSU in Las Cruces in 1964. I lived there for a couple of years, and must've driven up to Albuquerque about every wekend. This was the art dealer period of my life, when I bought velvet paintings in Juarez and peddled them outside the UNM on weekends, usually managing to double or better my investment. I started selling guitars, but there are a lot more people who have a wall to cover than who have musical aspirations.

I really like NM, and agree that the beautiful parts are very impressive. I like the desert. The sky is blue and goes on forever, and when the dust isn't blowing, the air is pure and clean. NM is huge. The pretty parts are really pretty. The boring parts are triumphantly boring.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »
I was graduated from NMSU in Las Cruces in 1964. I lived there for a couple of years, and must've driven up to Albuquerque about every wekend. This was the art dealer period of my life, when I bought velvet paintings in Juarez and peddled them outside the UNM on weekends, usually managing to double or better my investment. I started selling guitars, but there are a lot more people who have a wall to cover than who have musical aspirations.

I really like NM, and agree that the beautiful parts are very impressive. I like the desert. The sky is blue and goes on forever, and when the dust isn't blowing, the air is pure and clean. NM is huge. The pretty parts are really pretty. The boring parts are triumphantly boring.


HEy, that's so neat. NMSU is one of our best Universities. My sister attended that U. My good friends lived there in the 80's. I would often travel to see them....through that boring I-40~.
TorC( Truth of Consequences is really ugly). But, charming for those who have never been to a western movie set. ha!
Juarez used to be a fun spin to visit back then, as well. (I was young, ha). Cheesey is sometimes fun for the young.....lol

 I like the College of Santa Fe.  I attended the CofSF last year (ESL linguistics etc).

 Albuquerque isn't the prettiest city...even now....except at night!
But my side of the 'road' ---the infamous 'west side'--- is growing like fire. I am so blessed to live up high. I see the entire valley below. Luck of the Irish, I suppose 8). Billion dollar view in our city, at a fraction of the cost.

Yes, Xavier......The boring is triumphantly so, indeed!

Down south way..... There are 'real' cowboys in the Deming area. They really are rough and tough dudes who wear the chaps and spurs, dusty faces and their walk....that walk~  It has to be seen to be believed. ha!
 I had a friend who owned a clothing shop in Deming. Our dear friend owned the only clothing shop for the cowboy in Deming during the 80's.

We have snow days that I am sure the New Englanders would consider a dusting....as we do TODAY....ice doesn't make New Mexican's happy...! But I love a good snow day. The snow storm/ice hit us pretty hard last night.

New Mexico is the land of enchantment. I really like living here. I have traveled aroudn the world, and I still love my 'land'.