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"Compensatory Opportunites" ??
« on: January 27, 2008, 11:02:32 PM »
Fairness on the ballot

By George Will  

Come November, voters will decide on more than half a million federal, state and local officeholders and ballot initiatives. Ninety-nine percent of these decisions will matter less than will the five civil rights initiatives that might be on the ballots in Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Missouri.

If the initiatives qualify for those states' ballots, all probably will pass. But the initiatives must surmount ferocious opposition from defenders of racial preferences, such as the politicians who administer and benefit from Missouri's racial spoils system. The crux of the Missouri Civil Rights Initiative (MoCRI) would amend that state's constitution to say: "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education or public contracting."

Similar language has been approved by voters in California (in 1996), Washington state (1998) and Michigan (2006). California's initiative passed 55 percent to 45 percent, even though opponents outspent supporters 13 to 1. Washington's initiative won 58 to 42 against 10-to-1 spending. Michigan's initiative won 58 to 42, although supporters were outspent 5 to 1. Those spending disparities understate the initiatives' disadvantages, because in each state, opponents were assisted by the "diversity" industry that administers racial preferences in the public and private sectors.  

Missouri law requires the secretary of state to draft a summary of an initiative, which appears on the ballot "in the form of a question using language neither intentionally argumentative nor likely to create prejudice either for or against the proposed measure." The following, not the MoCRI language quoted above, is what the state's Democratic secretary of state and Democratic attorney general proposed to put on the ballot:

"Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to: Ban affirmative action programs designed to eliminate discrimination against, and improve opportunities for, women and minorities in public contracting, employment and education; and allow preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin to meet federal program funds eligibility standards as well as preferential treatment for bona fide qualifications based on sex?"

Well. The phrase "affirmative action" came into vogue in the years after the 1976 Democratic platform endorsed "compensatory opportunity." That obfuscating phrase appeared immediately after the platform said "we must insure that all citizens are treated equally before the law." Advocates of affirmative action have long denied that it involves racial preferences. Now Missouri is insisting that a ban on such preferences would eliminate all affirmative action.

Ward Connerly, the man organizing this year's five initiatives to promote colorblind governance, disagrees. A California businessman and former member, for 12 years, of the University of California Board of Regents, he stresses that many affirmative action measures, such as outreach to recruit students and employees from economically disadvantaged and isolated groups, do not require racial preferences.

MoCRI supporters went to court, arguing that the two Democrats' "explanation" of their amendment is couched in language that is "convoluted, ambiguous and muddled" and is "prejudicial, conclusory and untrue." They said that banning racial discrimination in the form of racial preferences does not ban programs to eliminate discrimination. They noted that MoCRI does not "allow" preferential treatment; rather, it would not obstruct receipt of federal funds tied to federal requirements. And the secretary of state and the attorney general's "explanation" of MoCRI does not explain that MoCRI authorizes granting preferential treatment on the basis of age, disability or status as a veteran.

The judge largely sided with MoCRI's supporters, ordering this ballot language: "Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to: Ban state and local government affirmative action programs that give preferential treatment in public contracting, employment, or education based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin, unless such programs are necessary to establish or maintain eligibility for federal funding or to comply with an existing court order?" The two Democrats, aware that similar language has won landslides in three other states, are appealing the decision.

The conventions that govern America's racial discourse derive from the odious "one drop" rule. According to it, anyone with any admixture of black ancestry ? one drop of black "blood" ? is black. So, Connerly is an African American. One of his grandparents was of African descent, one was Irish, a third was Irish and American Indian, and the fourth was French Canadian. Two of the grandchildren of Connerly and his Irish wife have a Vietnamese mother. Are these grandchildren African Americans?

Will the superstitions surrounding race ever fade away? Not before governance is cleansed of the sort of race-based policies opposed by Connerly, who intimately knows the increasing absurdity of racial classifications and the folly of government preferences based on them.


The Folly of Reverse Discrimination/RACISM
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

Michael Tee

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Re: "Compensatory Opportunites" ??
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 11:16:48 PM »
I agree!  No preferences based on race, colour, religion, etc.    A truly colour-blind society.

Except of course, in the jails and penitentiaries of the nation.

http://www.socialistaction.org/news/199904/prison.html

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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 11:21:14 PM »
Why wouldn't we have such there?  Ohhhh, trying to pull the ol predominantly black/minority card?  I'll actually go with the more practical broke the law and went to jail card.  Do not pass Go, do not collect $200
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2008, 11:37:03 PM »
<<I'll actually go with the more practical broke the law and went to jail card.  Do not pass Go, do not collect $200>>

Right.  And it's just pure coincidence that so many of those "law-breakers" are black.

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 11:48:22 PM »
If you have some facts to validate some other theory outside of the #'s of who's actually incarcerated, by all means, share them.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 11:58:46 PM »
Except of course, in the jails and penitentiaries of the nation.

Why wouldn't we have such there?  Ohhhh, trying to pull the ol predominantly black/minority card?  I'll actually go with the more practical broke the law and went to jail card.  Do not pass Go, do not collect $200

Right.  And it's just pure coincidence that so many of those "law-breakers" are black.

I hope that I'll be forgiven for sidestepping the racial issues on this, other than to say that I think the disproportion is mostly rooted in our "for profit" justice system.  Let me explain.  A black person is more likely to be at an economic disadvantage (for whatever reason), and unable to afford the $10K retainer for a good, competent criminal attorney, and have to rely on an overworked, underpaid public defender.  If you don't have the money, forget about a decent attorney, you might as well plead out your case.

That said, one issue that I haven't seen addressed recently, especially on the campaign, is why the hell we have the highest incarceration rate (per capita) of any country in the world.  No doubt there are an assortment of reasons for this, but shouldn't we start thinking about this?  Imagine the quality of living for everyone if we could cut this in half and put those people in the workforce, and have them paying taxes instead of sucking them up for incarceration costs.  Imagine the savings if we didn't have to keep building new prisons, hiring people to staff them, hiring parole officers for when they're released.

It's time to address this.  The loss of manpower alone is criminal.


Link: http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/world-prison-population-list-2005.pdf

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 12:36:26 AM »
<<A black person is more likely to be at an economic disadvantage (for whatever reason), and unable to afford the $10K retainer for a good, competent criminal attorney, and have to rely on an overworked, underpaid public defender.  If you don't have the money, forget about a decent attorney, you might as well plead out your case.>>

I see.  So basically, it's not the justice system that discriminates against blacks, it's the economic system.

sirs will love you for that.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 01:14:16 AM »
Fatman has a point.

Rich guy hires a lawyer poor guy pleas.

Wonder what percentage of crimes are drug related.


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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 02:27:38 AM »
<<Fatman has a point.>>

Hey, I agreed with Fatman.

<<Rich guy hires a lawyer poor guy pleas.>>

So many rich guys are white, so many poor guys are black.  Coincidence, I'm sure.

<<Wonder what percentage of crimes are drug related.>>

Wonder how many of the drug-related crimes are victimless.  Also wonder how many white kids busted for drugs go on to trial as opposed to black kids busted for drugs.  There were actually studies conducted in Ontario showing that police are three times more likely to send a black kid to trial on drug possession charges than a white kid.  But I guess you Americans have gotten past all that, haven't you?

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 02:48:50 AM »
Fatman has a point.  Rich guy hires a lawyer poor guy pleas.  Wonder what percentage of crimes are drug related.

Precisely.....how was it that a murdering ex-football player can be playing all kinds of rounds of golf, when he's not storming into hotel rooms??  Fatman & Bt are both functioning on the reality plane here, and it's indeed appreciated
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 02:58:33 AM »
<<Fatman has a point.>>

Hey, I agreed with Fatman.

<<Rich guy hires a lawyer poor guy pleas.>>

So many rich guys are white, so many poor guys are black.  Coincidence, I'm sure.

<<Wonder what percentage of crimes are drug related.>>

Wonder how many of the drug-related crimes are victimless.  Also wonder how many white kids busted for drugs go on to trial as opposed to black kids busted for drugs.  There were actually studies conducted in Ontario showing that police are three times more likely to send a black kid to trial on drug possession charges than a white kid.  But I guess you Americans have gotten past all that, haven't you?


Being rich works for blackpeople too.

As an experiment lets have an open society where little is forbidden to say and do and the possibility of wealth generation has no limit then start seveal diffrent groups off at diffrent levels of wealth in the beginning, see how long (how many generations) are require for the disprate groups to diffuse into one another and across the scale of wealth possession.

There are at this point just as many poor white people as there are poor black people .

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 09:24:02 AM »
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Wonder how many of the drug-related crimes are victimless.  Also wonder how many white kids busted for drugs go on to trial as opposed to black kids busted for drugs.  There were actually studies conducted in Ontario showing that police are three times more likely to send a black kid to trial on drug possession charges than a white kid.  But I guess you Americans have gotten past all that, haven't you?

Did the study compare prior arrests in this compilation?

I don't know how it is up your way but in the metro Atlanta area we have what are known as revenue enhancement days.These are days when the cops are writing tickets to reach quotas and will pull you over for just about anything. Justice for profit is in full bloom those days. If they find a joint in the ashtray, well that's just gravy.




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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 10:01:04 AM »
Why are so many Black folks in jail?

They did it.

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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 11:21:04 AM »
<<Precisely.....how was it that a murdering ex-football player can be playing all kinds of rounds of golf, when he's not storming into hotel rooms??  Fatman & Bt are both functioning on the reality plane here, and it's indeed appreciated>>

Hey, we all agree.  This is nice.  Criminal justice is a commodity.  It's bought and sold.  The more justice you can afford, the more you get.  Economic justice, though, seems to be a racial thing.  The whites have it, the blacks don't.

All I did was connect the one to the other.

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 11:23:43 AM »
define economic justice.