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McCain Presidency Would Be a Disaster
« on: January 28, 2008, 04:12:26 PM »
McCain Presidency Would Be a Disaster
Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:59 PM

By: Ronald Kessler


John McCain?s false charge that Mitt Romney favored a set timetable for withdrawing from Iraq underscores how disastrous a McCain presidency would be.


Any candidate can make a slight misstatement while talking extemporaneously. Hillary Clinton constantly rewrites her own record and has been caught fabricating, as when she made up the story that on 9/11, her daughter Chelsea was going to jog at Battery Park near the towers, where she heard and saw the catastrophe unfold.


But no candidate in this race has gone so far as to baldly fabricate what another candidate has said, as McCain did over the weekend. That same kind of recklessness is evident in McCain?s explosions of temper, which are meant to intimidate those who do not agree with him or do not support him.


Not naming him at first, McCain said in Fort Myers, Fla., ?Now, one of my opponents wanted to set a date for withdrawal that would have meant disaster.?


Talking to reporters minutes later, the Arizona senator was more direct: ?'If we surrender and wave a white flag, like Senator Clinton wants to do, and withdraw, as Gov. Romney wanted to do, then there will be chaos, genocide, and the cost of American blood and treasure would be dramatically higher.?


Asked about the comment, Romney said, ?That?s dishonest, to say that I have a specific date. That?s simply wrong,? he said. ?That is not the case. We?ve never said that.?


Romney asked for an apology. Having moved on to Sun City, Fla., McCain said: ?The apology is owed to the young men and women serving this nation in uniform.?


A look at what Romney actually said in an interview on ABC?s Good Morning America on April 3, 2007 makes it clear that Romney said the opposite of what McCain claimed he said.


Robin Roberts said to Romney, ?You have also been very vocal in supporting the president and the troop surge. Yet, the American public has lost faith in this war. Do you believe that there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops??


?Well, there?s no question but that? the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about,? Romney replied. ?But those shouldn?t be for public pronouncement. You don?t want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you?re going to be gone. You want to have a series of things you want to see accomplished in terms of the strength of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, and the leadership of the Iraqi government.?


?So, private,? Robins said. ?You wouldn?t do it publicly? Because the president has said flat out that he will veto anything the Congress passes about a timetable for troop withdrawals. As president, would you do the same??


?Well, of course,? Romney said. ?Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, gee, if we haven't reached the Rhine by this date, why, we?ll go home, or if we haven?t gotten this accomplished we?ll pull up and leave? You don?t publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course, you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don?t do that with the opposition.?


With the exception of Sean Hannity on Fox News, no news outlet fully quoted what Romney actually said on GMA. That?s no surprise. As the New York Times? recent endorsement of McCain suggests, the liberal media love him. As a former McCain aide told me, that?s because the senator gives reporters total access to him and because he is as liberal as a Democrat on many issues.


On almost ?every turn on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side,? former Sen. Rick Santorum, the Pennsylvania Republican, has said.


In a stunning example of the media?s slant, the AP?s Ron Fournier wrote after Romney won in Michigan, ?The former Massachusetts governor pandered to voters, distorted his opponents? record, and continued to show why he?s the most malleable?and least credible?major presidential candidate,? Fournier wrote. ?And it worked.?


As for McCain, ?The man who spoke hard truths to Michigan lost,? Fournier said. ?Of all the reasons John McCain deserved a better result Tuesday night, his gamble on the economy stands out?


Not to be outdone, the New York Times ran a story on Jan. 24 headlined, ?Romney Leads in Ill Will Among GOP Candidates.? The story said, ?In stark contrast to Mr. Romney, Mr. McCain seems to be universally liked and respected by the other Republican contenders, even if they disagree with him.?


The evidence to support that claim came entirely from quotes from present or former McCain aides.


While McCain clearly has formidable supporters, and his stand on the Iraq war was admirable, those who have dealt with him over the years have been appalled by his outbursts of temper, a character trait the media have largely ignored.


In endorsing Romney, Republican Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, who has known McCain for more than three decades, said his choice was prompted partly by his fear of how McCain might behave in the Oval Office.


?The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine,? Cochran said about McCain. ?He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper, and he worries me.?


?He [McCain] would disagree about something and then explode,? said former Sen. Bob Smith, a fellow Republican who served with McCain on various committees. ?[There were] incidents of irrational behavior. We?ve all had incidents where we have gotten angry, but I?ve never seen anyone act like that.?


Defending his bill to give amnesty to illegal aliens, McCain unleashed a tirade on Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who had voiced concerns about the number of judicial appeals illegal immigrants could file under the proposed legislation.


?F*** you!? McCain said to his fellow senator. ?I know more about this than anybody else in the room!? McCain shouted.


?People who disagree with him get the f*** you,? said former Rep. John LeBoutillier, a New York Republican who had an encounter with McCain when he was on a POW task force in the House. ?I think he is mentally unstable and not fit to be president.?


Andrew H. ?Andy? Card Jr., President Bush?s former chief of staff, told me he has observed McCain?s outbursts.


?Sometimes he was pretty angry, but I felt as if he was putting on a show,? Card said. ?I don?t know if it was an emotional eruption or it was for effect," Card said.


Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, saw McCain?s temper up close. ?His volatility borders in the area of being unstable,? Johnson has said. ?Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause.?


When I appeared on Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show to discuss Newsmax?s disclosures about McCain?s temper, Carlson said on the air, ?We got a call earlier tonight from McCain?s Senate office suggesting that we not do this story. [They were] annoyed about it.?


That hint at intimidation is another reason why major media outlets may think twice about revealing what they know of McCain?s temper, which is widely whispered about in Washington. Yet along with track record, such clues to character are a compass to how a president will conduct his presidency.


Over and over, voters have ignored warning signs of poor character and have overlooked track records, only to regret it once a president enters the White House and becomes corrupted by the power of the office.


When he was a candidate for vice president, Richard Nixon became embroiled in an ethics issue when the New York Post revealed he had secretly accepted $18,000 from private contributors to defray his expenses. It should have come as no surprise that he would end up being driven from office by the scandal known as Watergate.


If we elect a candidate with McCain?s monumental character flaws, we can expect to suffer the consequences.

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Re: McCain Presidency Would Be a Disaster
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 04:17:57 PM »
"Maverick" and "Conservative" Aren't Synonyms

By David Limbaugh
Friday, January 25, 2008


Many conservatives have said Sen. John McCain is not conservative enough to suit them. Some of McCain's defenders have not only disagreed but have impugned his critics, hypocritically blaming them for divisiveness.

But intramural bickering isn't the issue. What's important is that conservatives have an intellectually honest and open discussion about GOP presidential contenders.

It's disappointing to watch good conservatives demean themselves by trying to present McCain as something he's not. No matter how much they spin, they can't fool conservatives familiar with McCain's record. McCain's detractors are not the ones having to stretch and massage the facts in order to turn McCain -- overnight -- into a Reagan conservative.

McCain is not only not conservative enough; he has also has built a reputation as a maverick by stabbing his party in the back -- not in furtherance of conservative principles but by betraying them. McCain delights in sticking it to his colleagues while winning accolades from the mainstream liberal media.

Former senator Rick Santorum, whose conservative credentials are beyond question, said, "I don't agree with (McCain) on hardly any issues." Santorum told radio host Mark Levin, "I just have to tell you, as a leader, as someone who had to put these coalitions together, it was always hard and we very rarely on domestic policy had any help from the senator from Arizona." Santorum said McCain has been damaging to conservative causes and would be no friend to conservatives in the White House.

McCain's defenders -- in the McCainian spirit of chilling political speech -- forbid us from criticizing him because he is a war hero. That's irresponsible nonsense. Voters and analysts have an obligation to assess McCain's suitability for the presidency. To consider and verbalize the negatives is not to demean his service or sacrifice.

We can recognize and honor McCain's indescribably grueling POW experiences without taking the leap of arguing they automatically qualify him as an ideal commander in chief. His qualifications should be evaluated on the merits, not on sentimental appeals to his service.

Understandably, I suppose, pundits often glibly assert that one of McCain's many advantages is his character -- a character that was molded by the hardships he endured. McCain's captivity undeniably involved more character building than anything most of us will ever experience. But to say he is a rugged, battle-tested hero does not mean he is incapable of prevarication, opportunism, demagoguery or other mischief. Nor does it immunize him from scrutiny concerning the credible claim that he lacks the temperament to be president.
 
I respectfully reject that McCain's honorable and sacrificial character-building experiences or his self-description as a "straight talker" place his veracity above question. I remember him sidling up to the media by falsely claiming George Bush didn't level with the American people about how long the Iraq war could take. I remember him blaming dirty campaign tricks on Bush in South Carolina in 2000, when investigations revealed there was no evidence Bush was behind it. I remember him joining liberals in slandering the truth-telling Swift Boat veterans as "dishonest and dishonorable." I remember his disingenuous derision of the across-the-board Bush tax cuts as being only for the rich. I witnessed him changing his position on immigration to shore up support in South Carolina, then after that primary arrogantly denying to Sean Hannity that he'd flip-flopped. People can assess for themselves whether McCain is always straight, but hopefully they'll base their decision on the evidence and not his hero status.

I seriously doubt McCain will win the GOP nomination, precisely because of his infidelity to conservative principles. Consider:

- He crusades against Guantanamo, favors constitutional rights for terrorists but opposes tough interrogation techniques, was the ringleader of the Gang of 14, which legitimized the filibustering of judicial nominees, and is the godfather of political speech-suppressing and Democrat-favoring campaign-finance reform legislation.

- He has displayed contempt for conservative evangelicals, opposed Bush's pro-growth tax cuts for reasons other than he says (spending), has engaged in other class-warfare rhetoric like demonizing oil and drug companies, co-sponsored the abominable McCain-Kennedy illegal immigrant-forgiveness/open-borders/Social Security zapping bill, and even voted for the Specter amendment, which could have conferred consulting rights on Mexico concerning the erection of a southern border fence.

- He sold out on global warming, opportunistically opposed drilling in ANWR, favors re-importation of drugs from Canada, and promoted the McCain-Kennedy-Edwards patients bill of rights. Even his pro-life credentials are not as pristine as we're told: He opposes reversal of Roe vs. Wade and sided with anti-political speech zealots in filing an amicus brief against Wisconsin Right to Life.

Vote for McCain if you wish, but please don't insult conservatives by suggesting he's one of us.


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Re: McCain Presidency Would Be a Disaster
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 04:28:32 PM »
the only thing I know about him i know is awhile back thier was a pilot strike and he was slamming them for not doing overtime .
that`s when i decided he not that bright.
everything else don`t was not as notable to me.
doctors and pilot are the 2 profession who can`t can`t be playing with their sleeptime.

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Re: McCain Presidency Would Be a Disaster
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 04:31:51 PM »
doctors and pilot are the 2 profession who can`t can`t be playing with their sleeptime.

And yet, doctors routinely work overtime and double shifts. Go figure.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 04:37:28 PM »
The D. Limbaugh article on McCain was great.  Would've made me a fan if the guy only had a sensible attitude on Iraq.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 04:59:12 PM »
And yet, doctors routinely work overtime and double shifts. Go figure.

true

but do you think the doctor on the 2nd shift is just as good as the 1st shift.

just because they do doesn`t not mean exhaustion is a liberal myth.


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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 05:00:21 PM »
>>but do you think the doctor on the 2nd shift is just as good as the 1st shift.<<

Why wouldn't he/she be?

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 05:10:47 PM »
but do you think the doctor on the 2nd shift is just as good as the 1st shift.

If they're trained to work those kinds of hours (and doctors are trained that way) then it shouldn't affect their performance.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 05:42:58 PM »
Vote for McCain if you wish, but please don't insult conservatives by suggesting he's one of us.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 06:07:41 PM »
Communists are the real dinosaurs. Communists just kill those who disagree with them.

Conservatives are movement driven. They don't look at an issue and analyze how it will effect their electability. We see Conservatism as a movement that is best for all America. We see it in the founding principles of this country and believe in the power of individuals in a conservative government. Rush had a nice discussion on this subject today.


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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 08:13:30 PM »
how does one train against exhaustion?
I`ve done doubleshifts and can do it at a drop of a hat but not a continual basis .
it`s not unreasonable to think capacity will diminish after awhile.
and also I don`t recall anything saying there is training involve in doing long hours
meaning i very much doubt any hospital actually address it.
I`m guessing doctor simply just tough it and hope they last.
which means possibly that some don`t maintain the same levels
note the high malpractice insurance cost.
and i don`t recall the medical community saying lack of sleep is not a problem.
but i do see from time to time article talking about doctors not getting enough sleep.

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 08:22:33 PM »
kimba,

Just because you work 3 to 11 doesn't make you exhausted. You get used to it. You get your eight hours just like 9 to 5'ers.

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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 08:31:20 PM »
and also I don`t recall anything saying there is training involve in doing long hours
meaning i very much doubt any hospital actually address it.
I`m guessing doctor simply just tough it and hope they last.

While doctors are interning, they are assigned to work long shifts and are supervised by their attending physicians. Those that cannot handle working long shifts time and again are not passed and do not become doctors.

A friend of mine said that it not unusual for her to be assigned 80 hrs in 4 days, then a 3 day weekend, or 72 hr shifts sometimes.

You learn to do the job correctly no matter how tired you are.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 08:31:45 PM »
Each has dredged up earlier quotes to criticize the other; Romney thumped McCain for admitting less familiarity with the economy than with foreign affairs, and McCain tried to lump Romney with congressional Democrats because he supported private timetables in the Iraq war.

In Jacksonville, McCain toured the grounds of Atlantic Marine, which builds Navy ships and commercial vessels, then held a forum with national security experts including former CIA director Jim Woolsey and former Veterans Affairs secretary Tony Principi.

Romney taped an interview to air on MSNBC Tuesday in which he said McCain's recent criticism over a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq reflected a rival "kind of desperate here at the end."

He also criticized McCain for suggesting there were more wars in the U.S.'s future.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=213&pid=0&sid=1333533&page=2


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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 08:55:19 PM »
kimba,

Just because you work 3 to 11 doesn't make you exhausted. You get used to it. You get your eight hours just like 9 to 5'ers.

I once asked my general practitioner about this issue in terms of interns in Med School. His comment was that he wouldn't want to be in the bed looking at an intern, even toward the end of Med School, who is looking at his chart when that intern has been on his feet, literally, for 36 hours.

I then asked him why they do it. He said that they do it so the interns can get the maximum exposure of the maximum number of patients and medical conditions in the limited time availalbe during Med School.
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