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Give Gaza to Egypt
« on: January 29, 2008, 10:45:52 AM »
Give Gaza to Egypt

By Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com | 1/29/2008



Startling developments in Gaza highlight the need for a change in Western policy toward this troubled territory of 1.3 million persons.

Gaza's contemporary history began in 1948, when Egyptian forces overran the British-controlled area and Cairo sponsored the nominal "All-Palestine Government" while de facto ruling the territory as a protectorate. That arrangement ended in 1967, when the Israeli leadership defensively took control of Gaza, reluctantly inheriting a densely populated, poor, and hostile territory.

Nonetheless, for twenty years Gazans largely acquiesced to Israeli rule. Only with the intifada beginning in 1987 did Gazans assert themselves; its violence and political costs convinced Israelis to open a diplomatic process that culminated with the Oslo accords of 1993. The Gaza-Jericho Agreement of 1994 then off-loaded the territory to Yasir Arafat's Fatah.

Those agreements were supposed to bring stability and prosperity to Gaza. Returning businessmen would jump-start the economy. The Palestinian Authority would repress Islamists and suppress terrorists. Yasir Arafat proclaimed he would "build a Singapore" there, actually an apt comparison, for independent Singapore began inauspiciously in 1965, poor and ethnically conflict-ridden.

Of course, Arafat was no Lee Kuan Yew. Gazan conditions deteriorated and Islamists, far from being shut out, rose to power: Hamas won the 2006 elections and in 2007 seized full control of Gaza. The economy shrunk. Rather than stop terrorism, Fatah joined in. Gazans began launching rockets over the border in 2002, increasing their frequency, range, and deadliness with time, eventually rendering the Israeli town of Sderot nearly uninhabitable.

Faced with a lethal Gaza, the Israeli government of Ehud Olmert decided to isolate it, hoping that economic hardship would cause Gazans to blame Hamas and turn against it. To an extent, the squeeze worked, for Hamas' popularity did fall. The Israelis also conducted raids against terrorists to stop the rocket attacks. Still, the assaults continued; so, on January 17, the Israelis escalated by cutting fuel deliveries and closing the borders. "As far as I'm concerned," Olmert announced, "Gaza residents will walk, without gas for their cars, because they have a murderous, terrorist regime that doesn't let people in southern Israel live in peace."

That sounded reasonable but the press reported heart-rending stories about Gazans suffering and dying due to the cutoffs that immediately swamped the Israeli position. Appeals and denunciations from around the world demanded that Israelis ease up.


Gazans crossing into Egyptian territory on January 23 through a breach in the 13-meter tall fence.
 
Then, on January 23, Hamas took matters into its own hands with a clever surprise tactic: after months of preparation, it pulled down large segments of the 12-km long, 13-meter high border wall separating Gaza from Egypt, simultaneously winning goodwill from Gazans and dragging Cairo into the picture. Politically, Egyptian authorities had no choice but uneasily to absorb 38 wounded border guards and permit hundreds of thousands of persons temporarily to enter the far northeast of their country.

Israelis had brought themselves to this completely avoidable predicament through incompetence ? signing bad agreements, turning Gaza over to the thug Arafat, expelling their own citizens, permitting premature elections, acquiescing to the Hamas conquest, and abandoning control of Gaza's western border.

What might Western states now do? The border breaching, ironically, offers an opportunity to clean up a mess.

Washington and other capitals should declare the experiment in Gazan self-rule a failure and press President Husni Mubarak of Egypt to help, perhaps providing Gaza with additional land or even annexing it as a province. This would revert to the situation of 1948-67, except this time Cairo would not keep Gaza at arm's length but take responsibility for it.

Culturally, this connection is a natural: Gazans speak a colloquial Arabic identical to the Egyptians of Sinai, have more family ties to Egypt than to the West Bank, and are economically more tied to Egypt (recall the many smugglers' tunnels). Further, Hamas derives from an Egyptian organization, the Muslim Brethren. As David Warren of the Ottawa Citizen notes, calling Gazans "Palestinians" is less accurate than politically correct.

Why not formalize the Egyptian connection? Among other benefits, this would (1) end the rocket fire against Israel, (2) expose the superficiality of Palestinian nationalism, an ideology under a century old, and perhaps (3) break the Arab-Israeli logjam.

It's hard to divine what benefit American taxpayers have received for the $65 billion they have lavished on Egypt since 1948; but Egypt's absorbing Gaza might justify their continuing to shell out $1.8 billion a year.


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Mr. Pipes (www.DanielPipes.org) is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Miniatures (Transaction Publishers).

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 12:49:44 PM »
<<Those agreements were supposed to bring stability and prosperity to Gaza. Returning businessmen would jump-start the economy. The Palestinian Authority would repress Islamists and suppress terrorists. Yasir Arafat proclaimed he would "build a Singapore" there, actually an apt comparison, for independent Singapore began inauspiciously in 1965, poor and ethnically conflict-ridden.

<<Of course, Arafat was no Lee Kuan Yew. Gazan conditions deteriorated and Islamists, far from being shut out, rose to power: Hamas won the 2006 elections . . . >>

I have never yet seen a Zionist propagandist mention one major reason for Gaza's failure to prosper: the ongoing Israeli stranglehold on Gazan exports.  Israel controls the seaports and the airports of Gaza, despite their much-publicized "withdrawal."   Whereas the former Jewish settlers of Gaza, very efficient farmers, were able to export their produce to Europe directly from Gaza, no Gazan products can be exported from Gaza.  The Israelis force all Gazan exports to be exported from Israeli ports.  To get there, they must go by truck through check-points into Israel.  Often the trucks can be stalled for days at the checkpoints under a blazing sun.  When they get to the Israeli docks, the trucks can often be stalled for days more waiting to clear "customs" and "security."  The net result is that the Turkish and European importers, who were used to receiving fresh shipments of Israeli produce from Gaza, now find that the same farms are delivering wilted, spoiled or otherwise unattractive or damaged goods and have ceased doing business with them.

The myth, perpetuated by lying Zionist whores like Pipes is that the Israelis were good enough to withdraw and hand over everything to the Palestinians, who, third-rate human beings that they are, have fucked up this Israeli "gift" by their chronic inability to manage anything and their inherent gangsterism and Islamic fundamentalism.

It's a real shame that the "news" from Israel is mediated by the MSM and run through its filters.  A totally distorted picture reaches the American sheeple, who therefore have virtually no understanding of the actual situation there, as compared to say the Europeans and Asians, who can see very clearly exactly WHAT is going on there.

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 12:50:17 PM »
 :D

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 01:12:12 PM »
The moron finally runs out of lies and bullshit.  Thanks for at least admitting it.

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 05:00:06 PM »
That must be it Uncle Mike.

That must be it ....  :D

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 05:35:27 PM »
Issues, MT?

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 09:20:13 PM »
Maybe, MB.  Tell me what you think of that last exchange and I'll answer your question.

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 09:25:14 PM »
Which exchange? The post from the day before that I never answered?

I have a feeling I shouldn't get into the Israeli argument with you.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2008, 10:12:02 PM »
Issues, MT?



Well, in the world of the political debate, everybody's something.

I myself am Dane/Welsh. 

The fact that they are both majorly minor nations probably accounts for nobody raising my ire by saying the words "Wales" or "Denmark."

There has to be some kind of physics law which accounts for what would probably happen if the membership of a debate group reached a certain critical mass--at that point, everybody is something, so every issue of debate would have to be censored for clearance against all things taken personally.

All sniffing righteously in turn, we would plummet into pollyanna.

I won't even mention religious denominations.

Yoikes.



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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2008, 10:39:26 PM »



Well, in the world of the political debate, everybody's something.




Don't we desire a wide range of points of view to be available ?

I think that the success of 3DHS has been in attracting a small community that covers a wide range .

I think you are pleading for tolerance , but I am not certain.

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 10:41:12 PM »
I'm not taking it personally. I'm a total wasp, so I have no horse in this race.

I *do* wonder why MT's rhetoric is so hateful against Israel-which is why I asked if he had issues. Given that neither side is perfect, and that the entire situation is truly a gallery of the absurd, being overly hateful toward one side or the other seems odd.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 10:55:17 PM »
I myself am Dane/Welsh. 

Dai and Blodwyn were engaged to be married. Dai was sent by his company to London on a two-week sales training course. The course was fine but the evenings were boring and by the second week Dai was fed up with sitting around in his hotel bedroom and went down to the bar for a few drinks where he met a couple of girls of the night, who enticed him into spending his money.

On returning home Dai?s conscience got the better of him and he broke down and confessed to Blodwyn that he had been unfaithful to her twice.

Blodwyn said she was glad Dai had been so honest ? she too had to confess that she had been unfaithful twice whilst Dai had been away... once with the Tredegar Male Voice Choir and once with the Ebbw Vale RFC first XV.
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2008, 11:26:10 PM »
<<Which exchange? The post from the day before that I never answered?>>

Let me start all over again.  I did not understand your post, <<Issues, MT?>>  But I took a chance.  I was referring to the last exchange in this thread between Rich and I.  Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

<<I have a feeling I shouldn't get into the Israeli argument with you.>>

I'm sorry you feel that way.  I'll never go out of my way to be abrasive if I know in advance that the other person bruises easily.  What's the point?  I'll just adjust my debating style to a more gentlemanly level but we could still have an interesting exchange of views.  Believe it or not, I'm a lot more interested in an exchange of ideas than I am in venting, although I have to admit that venting has its attractions.  Go ahead, MB, I won't bite.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 11:33:17 PM »
Would Gaza, and the people of Gaza, prosper as Egyptians?


I like the thinking , really out of the box.

Maybe it would work.

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Re: Give Gaza to Egypt
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2008, 12:14:16 AM »
Thanks for clarifying. I left the other thread alone because you seem terribly Anti-Israel, even though imo all parties in the conflict deserve criticism. And no, I don't bruise easily but hateful rhetoric particularly in re: to Jews disturbs me for some reason  :-\

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I have never yet seen a Zionist propagandist mention one major reason for Gaza's failure to prosper: the ongoing Israeli stranglehold on Gazan exports.  Israel controls the seaports and the airports of Gaza, despite their much-publicized "withdrawal."

Israel is doing that to exert pressure on Palestinians and Egypt to take some measure of managed control over the area. NO ONE wants to step in and take over; wtf do you expect Israel to do??? Israel is trying to exist and defend itself and if that means stepping up pressure by strict port control, cutting off oil&electricity, etc than that is what it means. Can you propose a better solution?
I agree that it is a shame that Israel has been unable to defend itself in a way thats not humiliating to the Palestinians, but the Arab world itself(Lebanon, Syria) has been just as bad if not worse. Egypt had closed the international crossing to Gaza under the sad impression that it may force Israel to open crossings(despite the rockets and mortars)-that is why the repercussions of the wall to Egypt being torn down recently will be an interesting thing to watch. Hopefully it will force negotiations, but I can't see Egypt playing nicely.

A big part of the issue, as well, is that were an agreement reached the Palestinians would have to face the fact that they're not going to take over Israel any time soon, and the desire to not recognize Israel has gone rom political to religious. Now the situation is more dangerous than ever. This is sad, really, because a Palestinian declaration would massively change the apartheid situation in Lebanon.

As I said, it's a theatre of the absurd. No one's at fault yet somehow they are all to blame.