The Tet Offensive

[Plane]

You are very seriously deluded about famine - - there was famine in China for thousands of years before Communism and there is famine all over the world in many places, which is not due to communism at all but to global capitalism and Amerikkkan business interests. 

The worst famine n the history of mankind is forbidden to discuss in China , as is the Tienanmen Massacre which also did not really happen.

All the good of Communism is lies , every bit of it.

Where the USA has won we have not enslaved nor removed any pride if you think we have , then how would you explain France and North Korea as being our slaves or free from pride?

Vietnam has less to brag of than it could have ,and the Buddhists still light themselves on a regular basis.

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/protest/viet.html

[Xavier_Onassis]

Buddists still light themselvs on a reglar basis.

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[Plane]

Buddists still light themselvs on a reglar basis.

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Sorry I have corrected the spelling.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Buddists still light themselvs on a reglar basis.

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No, they don't. Not in Vietnam.

Where the Hell do you dredge up this shit?
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China had famines for centuries before Communism. Most were caused by droughts, floods, and civil wars, and only some of the latter were caused by foreign meddling. China no longer has famines, and seems to have maintained a growth rate for a longer period than any nation in history. The Chinese are financing Juniorbush's stupid war, in fact. If there were not extra capacity in China, there would be no money to lend.

Communism worked better in China than in any western country because China's population was already more collectivized than any other society. Taiwan has a higher standard of living than mainland China for its 22 million people but it is unlikely that what worked for a small island nation could work as well for a population of 1.2 billion.

Every society must find out what system works best for their culture and apply it to the maximum benefit. A government that is imposed from above by a foreign power will never work as well as one designed by the people of that country.

No one, anywhere, has ever devised a perfect system that benefits everyone equally, and it is highly unlikely that anyone ever will. There are no utopias, there will be no Millenium.

[Plane]

Buddists still light themselvs on a reglar basis.

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No, they don't. Not in Vietnam.

Where the Hell do you dredge up this shit?
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China had famines for centuries before Communism. Most were caused by droughts, floods, and civil wars, and only some of the latter were caused by foreign meddling. China no longer has famines, and seems to have maintained a growth rate for a longer period than any nation in history. The Chinese are financing Juniorbush's stupid war, in fact. If there were not extra capacity in China, there would be no money to lend.

Communism worked better in China than in any western country because China's population was already more collectivized than any other society. Taiwan has a higher standard of living than mainland China for its 22 million people but it is unlikely that what worked for a small island nation could work as well for a population of 1.2 billion.

Every society must find out what system works best for their culture and apply it to the maximum benefit. A government that is imposed from above by a foreign power will never work as well as one designed by the people of that country.

No one, anywhere, has ever devised a perfect system that benefits everyone equally, and it is highly unlikely that anyone ever will. There are no utopias, there will be no Millenium.

http://www.vietfederation.ca/newsletters/identifTQD.htm


There is no perfection ,but there are better and worse ways of doing things.

The UBC Bhuddists of Vietnam have never had their wants met and thus still immolate themselves now and then , this is an anchient practice there that the French tried to supress and the Commuists still try to supress.

http://www.quangduc.com/index.html

Quang Duc and  Nhat Chi Mai immolated themselves in protest of injustce and supression of their beloved religion , because their sacrifice was accessible to the people of the US it made a diffrence here, because there was still some freedom in VietNam it made a diffrence there, ince the Communists have taken over we don't hear about these things anymore and the repression is more complete so such an act matters nether here nor there.

Still happens tho.

If a tree burns in the forest , where the other trees are forbidden to notice , has a fire started?

[Plane]

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China had famines for centuries before Communism. Most were caused by droughts, floods, and civil wars, and only some of the latter were caused by foreign meddling. China no longer has famines, and seems to have maintained a growth rate for a longer period than any nation in history. The Chinese are financing Juniorbush's stupid war, in fact. If there were not extra capacity in China, there would be no money to lend.

In 1959 till 1963 China had a famine , depending on who you ask itwas either the worst famine in all human history , or a bookeeping error .
Ther were millions of people gone missing , but perhaps it was because the earlyer census was poorly conducted , yea, that is the ticket.

[Michael Tee]

<<Vietnam has less to brag of than it could have>>

Don't we all?

[Xavier_Onassis]

In 1959 till 1963 China had a famine , depending on who you ask itwas either the worst famine in all human history , or a bookeeping error .
Ther were millions of people gone missing , but perhaps it was because the earlyer census was poorly conducted , yea, that is the ticket.
Posted on: Today at 01:21:36 AM
Posted by: Plane
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Chairman Mao was an incompetent boob. His Great Leap Forward was in the opposite direction. But this is all in the past, and right now, the Chinese are feeding their huge population and have enough left over to lend bazillions to Juniorbush to squander on his misbegotten war.

The guys running Vietnam aren't likely to win any prizes for competence, but it is still best that they are running our own country, and a bad thing that we pissed away all that money trying to retain them as a colony.

[Amianthus]

Chairman Mao was an incompetent boob. His Great Leap Forward was in the opposite direction. But this is all in the past, and right now, the Chinese are feeding their huge population and have enough left over to lend bazillions to Juniorbush to squander on his misbegotten war.

If they're "feeding their ... population," then how come they have an agricultural product trade deficit? Sure, they're not starving, but they're feeding their people by importing food. And because of industry and ecological damage, their arable land decreases every year.

[Plane]

Chairman Mao was an incompetent boob. His Great Leap Forward was in the opposite direction. But this is all in the past, and right now, the Chinese are feeding their huge population and have enough left over to lend bazillions to Juniorbush to squander on his misbegotten war.

If they're "feeding their ... population," then how come they have an agricultural product trade deficit? Sure, they're not starving, but they're feeding their people by importing food. And because of industry and ecological damage, their arable land decreases every year.

They are learning , they pegged their currency to the dollar .
I would not have told them this was a good idea , but it turns out to have worked well so far.
If we are lucky they won't mind when we peg the dollar to the Yuan.

[Michael Tee]

<<All the good of Communism is lies , every bit of it.>>

Ah, then the Red Army DIDN'T kill more Germans than all the other Allies combined?  Interesting.  And the astonishing double-digit growth of the Soviet economy in the 1930s was all lies too?  Holy shit.

<<Where the USA has won we have not enslaved nor removed any pride . . . >>

Tell that to the Guatemalans, the Indonesians, the Saladoreans, the Hondurans, the pre-Revolutonary Cubans, the victims of Pinochet, the Filippinos . . .   Who do you think you are kidding?

<< if you think we have , then how would you explain France and North Korea as being our slaves or free from pride?>>

I don't get it - - what, apart from participating in roughly equal numbers alongside British Empire troops in the D-day invasion and subsequent E.T.O. campaigns, did the U.S. have to do with the liberation of France?  And when did the U.S.A. ever defeat North Korea?  IIRC, they were driven out of North Korea and finally had to sign some kind of truce agreement at Panmunmon.

[Xavier_Onassis]

<<All the good of Communism is lies , every bit of it.>>
 
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No statement that says anything is always false is likely to be entirely true, unless it deals with arithmetic.

Communism united China once and for all. It put an end to the regular famines. .                                                                                                                                                       

[Plane]

<<All the good of Communism is lies , every bit of it.>>
 
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No statement that says anything is always false is likely to be entirely true, unless it deals with arithmetic.

Communism united China once and for all. It put an end to the regular famines. .                                                                                                                                                       

Communism killed or imprisoned all the Chineese that didn't like Communism , if that is Unity Unity is not worth the effort.
Communiosm made the regular famines worse but hid them  there is no controversy about whether there was a large famine in 59-63 only a controversy of how bad it was , a little less communistic is a little better fed ,they will shuck the whole idea and eat well someday.

[Michael Tee]

<<Communism killed or imprisoned all the Chineese that didn't like Communism , if that is Unity Unity is not worth the effort.>>

plane, not only do I have no idea where you get this nonsense from, but I'm amazed how you can parrot that crap with no reflection whatsoever.  There's over a billion people in China, almost a billion and a half in fact.  Do you have any idea how many people would have to be killed or imprisoned if they had to deal with  "all the Chinese that didn't like Communism?"  They generally go after enemies of the regime. 

<<Communiosm made the regular famines worse . . . >>

How'd they do that?

<< . . .  but hid them >>

How'd they do that?

<< there is no controversy about whether there was a large famine in 59-63 only a controversy of how bad it was , >>

So what's the range of difference?  What's the big estimate and what's the small estimate?

<<a little less communistic is a little better fed >>

That is ludicrous, China was plagued by famine for millennia before anybody every thought of communism.   It was endemic to the country

<<,they will shuck the whole idea and eat well someday.>>

I've been there once and my wife's been there twice, and from what we've both seen, they're eating pretty well already.

[Plane]

<<All the good of Communism is lies , every bit of it.>>

Ah, then the Red Army DIDN'T kill more Germans than all the other Allies combined?  Interesting.  And the astonishing double-digit growth of the Soviet economy in the 1930s was all lies too?  Holy shit.

<<Where the USA has won we have not enslaved nor removed any pride . . . >>

Tell that to the Guatemalans, the Indonesians, the Saladoreans, the Hondurans, the pre-Revolutonary Cubans, the victims of Pinochet, the Filippinos . . .   Who do you think you are kidding?

<< if you think we have , then how would you explain France and North Korea as being our slaves or free from pride?>>

I don't get it - - what, apart from participating in roughly equal numbers alongside British Empire troops in the D-day invasion and subsequent E.T.O. campaigns, did the U.S. have to do with the liberation of France?  And when did the U.S.A. ever defeat North Korea?  IIRC, they were driven out of North Korea and finally had to sign some kind of truce agreement at Panmunmon.

If the German Army hadn't had Soviet Help in building aircraft , tanks and training troops the German Army would have had not the wherewithall to make any troubble in Spain , perhaps not even enough to Blitzkrig Poland either.

If Stalin had not purged all of the competantce from his officer corps to make the whole army more communist (or controllable take your pick) they might have been able to fend off the attack somewhere short of Stalingrad.

Hitler claimed that the Sviet union was so weak that a kick on thedoor would collapse the whole house , well he was half right. Stalin was the Stupid leader that Communism deserved , but the Soviet people and the Soviet comon soldier had a lot more heart than he could have imagined in his dry little Facist heart.

In spite of Stalins incompetence and the inherent weakness and enforced ignorance of Commnism the never say die spirit of the ordinary Russian was never quashed , the fortitude of the phesant combined with the severity of the weather corrected for the incredable foolishness of Stalin . Stalin o course was pleased to claim all of the credit for the brilliace he demonstrated  so what did he do brilliantly anyway?

Was he Brilliant to allow the Germans to build tanks on Soviet territory , or wa he brilliant to allow them to build aircraft on Soviet territory , or was he brilliant to shot all of the Red Army officers who had ever been to Germany?

Let me posit that without Soviet  aid  the Facists would never have taken over Spain ,what might have happend after that?