Ron Paul will have at least 9 deligates at the convention

[Plane]

If there is a tie breaker to be made, or a seaparation of eight votes ......

[BT]

Impressive

[Amianthus]

Actually, CNN is showing his total at 16.

[BT]

damn

He's got the big mo going on now.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Ron Paul is the only real conservative candidate, and he is dead honest about what he believes, which is more that can be said of McCain, Romney and Huckleberry.

I am all for the GOP nominating him and giving us all a clear choice.

[_JS]

Ron Paul is the only real conservative candidate, and he is dead honest about what he believes, which is more that can be said of McCain, Romney and Huckleberry.

I am all for the GOP nominating him and giving us all a clear choice.

I agree that he is honest about what he believes. I disagree that he is a conservative candidate. Ron Paul is a real Libertarian, or at least as close to one as a politician at his level has ever been. While I'm not a libertarian and I vehemently disagree with their economic viewpoint, I do respect their views on many other issues. What Ron Paul has done, in my opinion, is separate the self-proclaimed libertarians of the Republican Party from the real life libertarian activists, who truly believe in the principles that Paul espouses.

I rather appreciate that a stark line has been drawn and for far too long libertarian and conservative were interchangable in the world of the talk radio goons and their listeners. The reality is that there is a tiny percentage of folks who are libertarians, but most conservatives wholeheartedly denounce much of that agenda. They used it when it was useful, but they sure as hell won't let the libertarians run the party any time in the foreseeable future.

[Universe Prince]

What Ron Paul has done, in my opinion, is separate the self-proclaimed libertarians of the Republican Party from the real life libertarian activists, who truly believe in the principles that Paul espouses.

Indeed. The people of the Republican Party have said pretty plainly that they, for the most part, reject the notions of smaller government.

The reality is that there is a tiny percentage of folks who are libertarians, but most conservatives wholeheartedly denounce much of that agenda. They used it when it was useful, but they sure as hell won't let the libertarians run the party any time in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't say "tiny". Small maybe. And I think it might be a mistake to assume that everyone who voted for Ron Paul represents the whole of libertarians in this country. There are many libertarians who don't like Ron Paul for one reason or another.

[BT]

The reality is that there is a tiny percentage of folks who are libertarians, but most conservatives wholeheartedly denounce much of that agenda. They used it when it was useful, but they sure as hell won't let the libertarians run the party any time in the foreseeable future.

Republicans might, Conservatives might not. The terms are not interchangeable. And Ron Paul was not the guy to bring about that sea change. The message is only as good as the messenger.

The soul of a capitalist is not being revealed when you bash them. Your soul is being revealed.

[sirs]

What Ron Paul has done, in my opinion, is separate the self-proclaimed libertarians of the Republican Party from the real life libertarian activists, who truly believe in the principles that Paul espouses.

Indeed. The people of the Republican Party have said pretty plainly that they, for the most part, reject the notions of smaller government.

I guess that's why I'm a conservative, and not a Republican.  The GOP definately has fallen completely away from their original platform of limited Government, and now think running as Democrat lite, is the way to go.  well, that last election cycle helped educate DC how that really doesn't go over well with the GOP base

[Universe Prince]

The GOP definately has fallen completely away from their original platform of limited Government, and now think running as Democrat lite, is the way to go.  well, that last election cycle helped educate DC how that really doesn't go over well with the GOP base

Seems to be going over just fine with some of the Republican base. McCain is doing pretty well. Huckabee too ain't doing as bad as all that. Romney isn't quite the level of big government politician that McCain is, but he's not exactly in competition with Ron Paul for proposing plans to shrink the government either.

[BT]

Seems to be going over just fine with some of the Republican base.

Of course it is. Some Republicans were just fine with government projects like ending slavery and building interstate highways. or using the powers of government to conserve the environment.

[Universe Prince]

Of course it is. Some Republicans were just fine with government projects like ending slavery and building interstate highways. or using the powers of government to conserve the environment.

Yes, and I'm sure some Republicans are just fine with gun control laws, and McCain-Feingold style campaign finance reform, and the "war on drugs" and all that jazz. All in the name of the good of society. Gee, thanks government.

Government projects like ending slavery? Seriously? You believe that? What am I saying, of course you do. Lincoln saved the Union and freed the slaves, hallelujah! Thus proving the need for powerful government to control society. I suppose next you'll tell me F.D.R. pulled America out the Great Depression.

Yes, BT, We all need the kind, compassionate and leviathan government, who only ever looks out for the good of the citizens, to save us all from the wild, frightening and oh so dangerous world in which we live. Politicians know best and only fools would ever dare to suggest anything else. Thank you, BT, for putting me in my place. I will now, quietly and with head hung low, slink off back to the corner, properly reminded that I should trust you to do all the bullsh... oops, no, I mean all the thinking. Yes, all the thinking, that is exactly what I meant to say.

(Gosh, I sure hope BT doesn't catch on to how sarcastic I am being. Oops, did I say that out loud?)

[sirs]

The GOP definately has fallen completely away from their original platform of limited Government, and now think running as Democrat lite, is the way to go.  Well, that last election cycle helped educate DC how that really doesn't go over well with the GOP base

Seems to be going over just fine with some of the Republican base.

Some, unfortunately yes.  The majority I'd opine no, and unfortunately for the GOP there's no real Regan Conservative in this crop of President wannabes for their consideration

[BT]

Of course Government was the proper instrument to end slavery. Government has the power to either legalize or criminalize such actions. They also have enforcement powers.

Are you saying ending slavery was a bad thing?

[_JS]

The reality is that there is a tiny percentage of folks who are libertarians, but most conservatives wholeheartedly denounce much of that agenda. They used it when it was useful, but they sure as hell won't let the libertarians run the party any time in the foreseeable future.

Republicans might, Conservatives might not. The terms are not interchangeable. And Ron Paul was not the guy to bring about that sea change. The message is only as good as the messenger.

The soul of a capitalist is not being revealed when you bash them. Your soul is being revealed.

And you say the same about those who bash communists? socialists?

Interestingly, I've never seen that.