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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2008, 02:37:00 PM »
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I'm trying to figure out why the people there must not be allowed to express their dislike of the US Marines.

They can dislike them all they want. They can express their dislike all they want. No one is stopping them from talking (or yelling) about it. As the article pointed out, it's against the law to hinder them in their duties.

Just like it's against the law for tax protesters to hinder IRS agents.

Or should that be OK as well?

Ah, but people across the nation, from regions other than Berkeley applied pressure to them. Why?

Because you are attacking the wrong institution. The Marines are doing what they are told, fighting wars, recruiting those that do, etc. If you've got beefs, demonstrate in front of the White House (the Executive Branch). Oh, that's right; they're too far into drugs to make the trip.  :-*
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2008, 02:50:50 PM »
Listen, I'm not saying that they should be allowed to destroy property or harm a recruiter, or anything of that sort. I'm not even really defending them per se.

I'm just curious as to why all of these people are so quick to automatically defend the US Marine recruiters.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2008, 02:55:21 PM »
Quote from: _JS on February 06, 2008, 02:50:50 PM
Listen, I'm not saying that they should be allowed to destroy property or harm a recruiter, or anything of that sort. I'm not even really defending them per se.

I'm just curious as to why all of these people are so quick to automatically defend the US Marine recruiters.

They're Marines...'nuff said. Oh, that's right, MT calls them knuckle draggers.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2008, 03:02:23 PM »
Lee Harvey Oswald was a marine. Who cares?

As with any profession, there are people to respect and people who don't earn respect.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2008, 03:05:23 PM »
They're Marines...'nuff said.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2008, 03:12:13 PM »
>>I wouldn`t go as far as rerspect<<

Sure, why respect a group that puts their lives on the line everyday to protect you.

ppppffft ... big deal.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2008, 03:14:41 PM »
>>Recruiters are the used car salesmen of the military world.<<

 ::)

Of course I believe your story of the one bad recruiter. Sure I do.

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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2008, 03:15:22 PM »
F. Lee Bailey
James Carville
Jon Corzine
David Dinkins
Ted Kulongoski
John Murtha
Jim Webb


Oh and...
Clayton Lonetree


All Marines.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2008, 03:16:23 PM »
>>It's ok for the people of Berkeley to express their dislikes, but no one else can express their dislikes of the actions of the people of Berkeley?<<

No they can't. If they do, they're fascists.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2008, 03:17:11 PM »
Quote from: _JS on February 06, 2008, 03:15:22 PM
F. Lee Bailey
James Carville
Jon Corzine
David Dinkins
Ted Kulongoski
John Murtha
Jim Webb


Oh and...
Clayton Lonetree


All Marines.

So? You still should admire the institution. As Rich said, they DO protect your posterior each and every day.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2008, 04:37:06 PM »
Quote from: The_Professor on February 06, 2008, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: _JS on February 06, 2008, 03:15:22 PM
F. Lee Bailey
James Carville
Jon Corzine
David Dinkins
Ted Kulongoski
John Murtha
Jim Webb


Oh and...
Clayton Lonetree


All Marines.

So? You still should admire the institution. As Rich said, they DO protect your posterior each and every day.

First of all, my father was a drill instructor and a Vietnam veteran of the US Army. So you don't need to tell me who I should and should not respect. I've seen the good and bad of the military gorwing up on army bases.

The U.S. Marines haven't protected any part of my anatomy from anything. They are a foreign policy tool, just like the other branches of service. I've asked absolutely nothing of the US Marines and they've given me absolutely nothing in return. That's the way I like it.
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   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2008, 04:41:30 PM »
>> The U.S. Marines haven't protected any part of my anatomy from anything. They are a foreign policy tool, just like the other branches of service. I've asked absolutely nothing of the US Marines and they've given me absolutely nothing in return. That's the way I like it. <<

YOu really can only scratch your head and wonder how people get to this point.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2008, 05:26:28 PM »
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"We are the defenders of democracy, the upholders of the Constitution. If it weren't for people like the people in Berkeley, standing up for what they believe, we'd be living under Hitler."


Hippies defeated Hitler, I just know I would flunk a history exam in Berkley.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2008, 05:40:51 PM »
I imagine that there are lots more effective places for a recruiter to recruit than Berkeley. I don't question the RIGHT of the Marines to try, but it seems to me that recruiting in Berkeley would be about as useful as advertising arthritis drugs on kiddy cartoon shows.

If I had stock in the arthritis drug manufacturing company, I think it would be rational to inform the Board of Directors, or the Advertising department that they are wasting their money.

 If the goal of the Marines is to recruit, I think they would be better off moving their office elsewhere.

If their goal is to stand up to the antiwar people of Berkeley, then they should stay. But if they are not recruiting successfully, I, as a taxpayer, think that this is rather dumb.
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Re: Berkeley Vs. America, Again
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2008, 06:11:51 PM »
berkley is a campus town so it`s would be the perfect place to recruit
remember most students are not natives to the place .
so attitudes will differ
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