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The_Professor

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Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« on: February 13, 2008, 03:37:00 PM »
February 13, 2008

Borderline Illegal: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
Filed under: The War on Terror
Planning to travel out of the country? Maybe you want to think twice about bringing your laptop, your cell phone, or even that iPod. (And if you're of Asian or Middle Eastern descent, that goes double.)

Last week the Washington Post ran a story detailing the electronic abuses international travelers have suffered at the US border. (Infoworld's Ed Foster has also blogged about this topic here.) Travelers are being asked to open up their laptops, hand over their passwords, and let customs agents have their way with their hard drives ? sometimes copying the contents onto another device or even confiscating the machine outright. Some folks report receiving the same treatment for their Blackberries and cell phones.

US customs sees your laptop as no different than your suitcase, only instead of pawing through your socks and boxers it gets to rifle your email, documents, photographs, and Web surfing histories. You say your laptop holds confidential business information, sensitive medical data, or the secret sauce that will make your company billions? Tough luck. It's all just socks and underwear to the Feds.

As security wonk and former federal prosecutor Mark Rasch notes, the dangers from this kind of digital body cavity search are far reaching:

"Your kid can be arrested because they can't prove the songs they downloaded to their iPod were legally downloaded... Lawyers run the risk of exposing sensitive information about their client. Trade secrets can be exposed to customs agents with no limit on what they can do with it. Journalists can expose sources, all because they have the audacity to cross an invisible line."
What are they looking for? Good question. So far, the Department of Homeland Security has ignored Freedom of Information Act requests asking it to clarify its policies. Nor will it reveal its criteria for whose gear gets the full monty, though Asian and Arab individuals appear to be singled out with greater frequency.

Last week the Electronic Freedom Foundation and the Asian Law Center filed suit, demanding to know the how and why of US customs searches and what happens to the data that's confiscated. Meanwhile, some corporations have ordered employees to avoid taking confidential data with them when they travel across borders.

In a related case, a Canadian man who's a legal US resident has been accused of carrying child porn after customs officials found files with suspicious names on his laptop. By the time police arrested Sebastian Boucher, he'd encrypted his data using PGP. The government demanded he turn over his private key to unlock the data; Boucher refused, and so far the courts have upheld his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. That case is under appeal, and no matter which way it ultimately goes it's going to have major ramifications for all of us.

Encryption can be used to mask criminal activity. At the same time, it can also be used legitimately to protect the very things being put at risk by overzealous customs agents, like sensitive corporate or personal data. Suddenly I'm having a flashback to the 1990s debate over the Clipper chip and whether intelligence agencies should be able to have a 'back door' to access encrypted information.

To me it all boils down to this: what do you trust more, the US Constitution or the US government? When in doubt, I tend to side with the founding fathers. At a time when ?national security? was far more tenuous than it is today, they enacted far reaching laws that put the rights of individuals on at least a par with the rights of the state.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/robertxcringely/archives/2008/02/national_securi.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-02-13
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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 04:14:20 PM »
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To me it all boils down to this: what do you trust more, the US Constitution or the US government? When in doubt, I tend to side with the founding fathers. At a time when "national security" was far more tenuous than it is today, they enacted far reaching laws that put the rights of individuals on at least a par with the rights of the state.


According to what has been explained to me, the notion of the rights of individuals being on par with the rights of the state is an extreme position that is not only impractical but foolish and therefore undesirable. It's just a utopian fantasy. At least, so I'm told.

In many Christian churches (as far as I know both Protestant and Catholic) there is a spiritual tenet that we humans are stewards of what belongs to God, and God as Creator owns everything. However (with the article posted being one more indicator of this), there is secular tenet that apparently needs to be taught to Americans. We are merely stewards of that which the government allows us to keep. Anything you own, including your house and land, can be taken from you at any time for any reason by the choice of government or government agents to do so. The notion that individuals actually own anything is, in this society, an illusion.
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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 05:46:47 PM »
Anybody who keeps sensitive or confidential information on his laptop is asking for trouble.  Same as discussing top-secret stuff by telephone.  What you see in the courts is the tip of the iceberg.

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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 05:54:18 PM »
To me it all boils down to this: what do you trust more, the US Constitution or the US government? When in doubt, I tend to side with the founding fathers. At a time when ?national security? was far more tenuous than it is today, they enacted far reaching laws that put the rights of individuals on at least a par with the rights of the state.

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I am also in favor of siding with the Founding Fathers, even if they had no clue that anything like a laptop could ever exist.

The rule is supposed to be that one is innocent until proven guilty.
Customs works on the opposite rule: one must prove that they are not a smuggler, a child pornographer, or a terrorist.

The difficulty with siding with the Founding Fathers is that you have to sue the government to claim your rights, and these will ultimately be determined by chuckleheads like Scalia, Roberts and Alito, who seem to favor corporations and government security snoops over individual rights.

The Republicans seem to believe that the rights of the state trump those of the individual, when national security is concerned. They also believe that pretty much anything they do in the name of security needs to be classified.

The Democrats are no champions of privacy, either, but they are less into classifying every bloody thing as top secret.

What we need is a constitutional amendmant guaranteeing our privacy from not just snoopy governments, but snoopy corporations as well. This is unlikely to happen, but it really needs to be passed.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that I think would favor such an amendment, and I doubt it would be his top priority, either.



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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 05:55:45 PM »
I am wondering whether encrypting your data with PGP or some other such program would be a good idea.
I assume that a clever computer whiz might be able to rig TWO passwords, and give the feds only the one that would provide access to innocuous information. So this would not tend to stop sensitive data from leaving the country. I imagine that one could encrypt such data and email it out of the country as well.

I think a person would have to be somewhat dumb to load porn on a laptop that might leave the country, or any computer than might be subject to seizure.



 
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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 05:57:02 PM »
Yes, but any encryption algorithm is breakable, given enough time and effort, soemtimes by brute force methods.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2008, 10:19:39 PM by The_Professor »
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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 06:03:34 PM »
Yes, but any encryption algorithm is breakable, given enoguh time and effort, soemtimes by brute force methods.
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The thing is, does the Customs Service have the time and are they willing to put forth the effort to do this with every laptop they run across?

Would they be able to confiscate your laptop without some evidence that it had any illicit info (whatever that is) on it, or would they be able to hold you with no real reason, just because you encrypted your data to prevent it from being used by a laptop thief?

There are many legitimate reasons to secure your laptop's data, after all.
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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 06:11:41 PM »
Since the feds would at least recognize a coded file that was not unlocked with the first password, the second coded file should be double coded - - it will be unlocked by the first password, but only to show, for example, innocuous (or better yet, non-pornographic but sexually stimulating) photos, possibly justifying the need for encryption.  The photos in turn are decoded with the second password, and that decoding reveals the real message. 

But then what if the feds just decides to torture every lap-top owner till he or she gives up their secret passwords?  If the owner survives ten waterboardings, they can take it as a sign that he or she really has no passwords to give up.  Then they can board.  But not with the laptop.

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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 06:19:30 PM »
I `d just back the whole thing up on a ext. hard drive
leave ONLY the essentials on the lap

samething with pda and phone

I always make sure all my portadle data is backed up
I`m a extemely absent-minded person
it`s not wise for me to think I`m not gonna lose stuff

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Re: Your Laptop Is Not Your Own
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 09:27:00 PM »
When one enters a military base one sees a sign on the gate that informs everyone who enters that entering the base is giveing permission for search.

What is the rule at Ports and Airports?

Is a warrant required for a search of luggage and papers for someone crossing a national border?