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Lanya

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They call this stability?
« on: February 18, 2008, 04:35:25 PM »
[from the last page of the article]

In his State of the Union address, President Bush spoke of the 80,000 Awakening Council members -- also labeled "concerned local citizens," as if they were respectable householders who have taken up arms against "terrorists."

The picture Bush evoked is similar to that often seen in Hollywood Westerns when outraged townsfolk and farmers, driven beyond endurance by the crimes of a corrupt sheriff or saloon owner and their bandit followers, rise in revolt. In reality, in Iraq the exact opposite has happened. The Awakening Council members of today are the "terrorists" of yesterday.

Even the police chief of Fallujah, Colonel Feisal, the brother of Abu Marouf, cheerfully explained that until he was promoted to his present post in December 2006 he was "fighting the Americans". Abu Marouf is threatening to go back to war or let al-Qa'ida return unless his 13,000 men receive long-term jobs in the Iraqi security services. The Iraqi government has no intention of allowing this because to do so would be to allow the Sunni and partisans of Saddam Hussein's regime to once again hold real power in the state.

Bizarrely, the US is still holding hundreds of men suspected of contacts with al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan and elsewhere, while in Iraq many of the Awakening members are past and, in many cases, probably current members of al-Qa'ida being paid by the US Army.

"I knew a young man, aged 17 or 18," says Kassim Ahmed Salman, "who was a friend of my brother and used to carry a PKC [a Russian light machine-gun] and fight for al-Qa'ida. I was astonished to see him a few days ago in al-Khadra where he is a lieutenant in al-Sahwa, standing together with Iraqi army officers."

The present state of Iraq is highly unstable, but nobody quite wants to go to war again. It reminds me of lulls in the Lebanese civil war during the 1970s and 1980s, when everybody in Beirut rightly predicted that nothing was solved and the fighting would start again. In Iraq the fighting has never stopped, but the present equilibrium might go on for some time.

All the Iraqi players are waiting to see at what rate the US will draw down its troop levels. The Mehdi Army is discussing ending its six-month ceasefire, but does not want to fight its Shia rivals if they are supported by American military power. Al-Qa'ida is wounded but by no means out of business. Four days after I had seen Abu Marouf, who was surrounded by bodyguards and maintains extreme secrecy about his movements, al-Qa'ida was able to detonate a bomb in a car close to his house and injure four of his guards.

Protestations of amity between Shia security men and Awakening members should be treated with skepticism. My friend, the intrepid French television reporter Lucas Menget, filmed a Shia policeman showering praise on the Awakening movement. He introduced two of its members, declaring enthusiastically to the camera: "You see, together we will defeat al-Qa'ida." Back in his police car, the policeman, lighting up a Davidoff cigarette and shaking his head wearily, explained: "I don't have a choice. I was asked to work with these killers."

Iraq remains a great sump of human degradation and poverty, unaffected by the "surge." It was not a government critic but the civilian spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, Tahseen Sheikhly, who pointed out this week that the city is drowning in sewage because of blocked and broken pipes and drains. In one part of the city, the sewage has formed a lake so large that it can be seen "as a big black spot on Google Earth."

In the coming weeks, we will see the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq by American and British forces on 19 March, and the fall of Saddam Hussein on 9 April. There will be much rancorous debate in the Western media about the success or failure of the "surge" and the US war effort here.

But for millions of Iraqis like Bassim, the war has robbed them of their homes, their jobs and often their lives. It has brought them nothing but misery and ended their hopes of happiness. It has destroyed Iraq.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/77146
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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 04:43:15 PM »
Attacks in Baghdad fall 80 percent: Iraq military
Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:37pm EST

By Aws Qusay

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Attacks by insurgents and rival sectarian militias have fallen up to 80 percent in Baghdad and concrete blast walls that divide the capital could soon be removed, a senior Iraqi military official said on Saturday.

Lieutenant-General Abboud Qanbar said the success of a year-long clampdown named "Operation Imposing Law" had reined in the savage violence between majority Shi'ites and minority Sunni Arabs dominant under Saddam Hussein.

"In a time when you could hear nothing but explosions, gunfire and the screams of mothers and fathers and sons, and see bodies that were burned and dismembered, the people of Baghdad were awaiting Operation Imposing Law," Qanbar told reporters.

Qanbar pointed to the number of dead bodies turning up on the capital's streets as an indicator of success.

In the six weeks to the end of 2006, an average of 43 bodies were found dumped in the city each day as fierce sectarian fighting threatened to turn into full-scale civil war.

That figure fell to four a day in 2008, in the period up to February 12, said Qanbar, who heads the Baghdad security operation.

"Various enemy activities" had fallen by between 75 and 80 percent since the security plan was implemented, he said.

To demonstrate how life had improved, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki toured parts of the city on Saturday, visiting Iraqi forces and checkpoints.

"He wanted ... to send a message to the terrorists that security in Baghdad is prevailing now," one official said.

Central to the success has been the erection of 12-foot (3.5-meter) high concrete walls that snake across the city.

The walls were designed to stop car bombings blamed on al Qaeda that turned markets and open areas into killing fields.

Qanbar said he hoped the walls could be taken down "in the coming months" and predicted the improved situation in Baghdad would translate to greater security elsewhere.

The U.S. military says attacks have fallen across Iraq by 60 percent since June on the back of security clampdowns and the deployment of 30,000 extra American troops.

FRAGILE RELATIONSHIP

Vital to the fall in violence was also a decision by Sunni Arab tribal leaders to turn against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda in late 2006 and form neighborhood security units, which man checkpoints and provide tips on militant hideouts.

However, their relationship with Iraqi authorities remains tense. The Shi'ite-led government is wary of the units, called "concerned local citizens" (CLCs) by the U.S. military and whose ranks includes former Sunni Arab insurgents.

"Everyone should know, that the official security forces represent the country. And it is the one side that has the right to bear arms and impose security," Qanbar said.

In a sign of the tensions, one CLC group said it was suspending its activities after three members were killed in an incident near the town of Jurf al-Sukr, south of Baghdad.

The unit blamed American soldiers for Friday's deaths. The U.S. military said attack helicopters had responded with rockets after security forces came under small-arms fire. It said the incident was under investigation but gave no further details.

The CLCs number some 80,000 mainly Sunni Arabs. Qanbar said Baghdad was working on compensating victims of mistakes by the Iraqi army and multi-national forces in Iraq.

While Iraqi and U.S. officials laud the security gains, humanitarian groups say it is still too early to encourage around 2 million refugees who fled Iraq to return home.

"The plight of Iraqi refugees will end with national reconciliation," the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, Antonio Guterres, told reporters during a visit to Baghdad.

(Additional reporting by Michael Holden, Mohammed Abbas and Ahmed Rasheed, Writing by Mohammed Abbas: Editing by Robert Woodward)

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1880448320080216?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&sp=true

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 05:40:36 PM »
It would be fruitless for any group to try to take over Iraq as long as US troops were there with guns that could be pointed at them. They seem to be waiting for the inevitable US withdrawal. Who wouldn't?

Sooner or later, the US must leave, just as sooner or later, the British had to leave India. Iraq is not Korea or Germany. No American troops are getting killed in Korea or Germany.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2008, 10:01:19 PM »
No American troops are getting killed in Korea or Germany.



It wasn't always that way.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 10:05:40 PM »
<<It wasn't always that way.>>

It most definitely was.  Once the hostilities were formally over, that was the end of Americans getting killed in Germany.  In Korea, there were a few more deaths, less than a dozen in all, IIRC, after the Panmunjon truce was signed.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 10:07:59 PM »
>>...Once the hostilities were formally over, that was the end of Americans getting killed in Germany.<<

Once again Uncle Mike is wrong.

Ho hum.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 10:12:21 PM »
<<Once again Uncle Mike is wrong.>>

I assume you have some facts to back this up?  Otherwise it's just your unsubstantiated opinion against mine, and since you are a fucking ignorant moron and I'm not, my opinion is much more likely to be the correct one than yours.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 10:53:10 PM »
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since you are a fucking ignorant moron

Be nice Mikey.



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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 10:54:32 PM »
Poor Mikey, he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, does he.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 11:24:37 PM »
I was being nice, boss.  But I'll try even harder.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 11:37:42 PM »
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/northkorea/1976.html


In the 1970s, despite the 1953 truce, there were still 42,000 American troops stationed in South Korea, and conflicts between North and South occasionally flared up in the DMZ. By 1976, the death toll from these scuffles had reached 49 Americans and 1,000 Koreans.


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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 11:44:24 PM »
The shooting phase of the Korean War ended in 1953.  So in 23 years, 49 Americans died?  That's a negligible 2 deaths a year.  You'll NEVER get anywhere near those levels in Iraq.  Your ass is whipped.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 11:45:51 PM »
This is common knowledge. American G.I's were blown up, shot, and killed in Germany during the occupation. It didn't last long, but it did happen. Hardcore Nazis, like hardcore Islamo Nazis weren't ready to give up. When the populace turned against them, like they are doing in Iraq, the resistance stopped.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 11:47:13 PM »
Only two deaths a year ... kinda like those little rockets I guess.

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Re: They call this stability?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 11:55:42 PM »
<<American G.I's were blown up, shot, and killed in Germany during the occupation.>>

Sure, Rich.  And then little green aliens in silver-coloured flying saucers came down and took all the bodies away to Alpha Centauri.