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Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« on: February 20, 2008, 10:37:20 AM »
Analysis: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base

Story Highlights
Barack Obama wins Wisconsin, his ninth win in row over Hillary Clinton
Obama sways Clinton's base of blue-collar, older, working-class voters
Clinton hopes to make comeback next week in Ohio, Texas
John McCain wins Wisconsin, remaining Washington state delegates

By John Helton
CNN

(CNN) -- If Ohio and Texas weren't already must-win states for Sen. Hillary Clinton, they certainly are now.

Sen. Barack Obama continued his winning streak since Super Tuesday two weeks ago, picking up his ninth state in a row.

But as significant as Obama's accelerating momentum is how he is increasingly swaying voters that Clinton could count on at the beginning of February.

While Obama has been solidifying his base of younger, college-educated, higher-paid voters, he has steadily been chipping away Clinton's base of blue-collar, older, working-class voters.

On Tuesday, Obama captured 53 percent of Wisconsin's white voters compared to 41 percent on Super Tuesday. He won 48 percent of women in Wisconsin compared to 41 percent on Super Tuesday.

He increased his standing with white seniors by 8 points, from 31 percent to 39 percent since Super Tuesday. He split the non-college-graduate vote 50-50 with Clinton compared to getting 42 percent of it on Super Tuesday.Watch how Obama is swaying Clinton's core voters ?

Obama won almost half of the Catholic vote compared to a third of it two weeks ago, and he did the same thing with the rural vote.

He also seems to be taking the economy away from Clinton as an issue. He won 44 percent of those voters who said that was the most important issue for them on Super Tuesday, but he won 55 percent of those voters on Tuesday. Watch how exit polls favor Obama ?

Heading into Wisconsin, most thought the contest was a toss-up. Obama's sweeping win there Tuesday can't be encouraging for the Clinton camp heading into Ohio as there are a lot of similarities between the blue-collar, Rust Belt states.

If the demographic trends continue, it doesn't look good in Texas. Obama won the Latino vote in Maryland and Virginia last week, a segment of the electorate that was solidly in the Clinton camp at the beginning of the race.

Polls in Texas show the contest there being a dead heat, but they showed the same thing in Wisconsin.

Clinton's post-primary speech on Tuesday might be setting the tone for the next two weeks. She says Obama is offering rhetoric while she's offering solutions.

On Tuesday, she told a crowd in Ohio that the Democratic race is "about picking a president who relies not just on words, but on work."

Obama was also the focus of part of Republican Sen. John McCain's victory speech on Tuesday. While not mentioning Obama by name, he suggested the general election would be a choice between his experience and the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."

McCain won the Republican primary in Wisconsin and the remaining half of Washington state's delegates in the primary. However, he still can't convince conservatives to line up behind his candidacy.

While McCain won convincingly over former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in Wisconsin, half of the voters in the state who called themselves "very conservative" favored Huckabee, compared to 40 percent for McCain.

McCain got half of the voters who characterized themselves as "somewhat conservative" and two-thirds of the voters who called themselves moderates.

In addition, while 76 percent of Republican voters said they would be satisfied with McCain as their party's nominee, 44 percent of them said he wasn't conservative enough.

 
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 12:35:23 PM »
hillary's negatives are extremely high
thats why Obama should think twice before asking her to be the VP
Obama's whole campaign is based on "change"
going back to the clintons would not pass that test
the clinton's are the past
hillary would diminish Obama's star
plus he'd always have to deal with the petty backstabbing, Goofball Bill
the Clinton Mafia of staffers would be loyal to the Clinton's not Obama
the Clinton Mafia would probably not get along well with the Obama loyalist

Obama needs to pick someone like Senator Evan Bayh or he may go with John Edwards
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 12:47:01 PM »
I doubt seriously Clinton would even consider a veep position.  Not their style to be 2nd fiddle, especially after having tasted the throne once already
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 01:48:23 PM »
Plus, either Hillary or Obama do not need the other's constituency as they will get it anyway.
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 02:06:45 PM »
Precisely.  It is, afterall, a liberal Democrat running against another liberal Democrat
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 03:35:39 PM »
Plus, either Hillary or Obama do not need the other's constituency as they will get it anyway.


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You don't seem to understand American politics or the Democratic Party.

Obama on the ticket wil get out the Black vote and the youth vote.
Hillary on the ticket will get out the women's votes and the older people's votes.

Together it is an ideal ticket.
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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 03:41:58 PM »
Hillary wil get the Black vote for the same reason the REAL Evangelical vote goes overwhelmingly Republican, namely, it is the lesser of two evils. Therefore, the Democrats will get the Black vote regardless whether Obama is on the ticket or not.

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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 04:53:04 PM »
Plus, either Hillary or Obama do not need the other's constituency as they will get it anyway.
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You don't seem to understand American politics or the Democratic Party.....Together it is an ideal ticket.

And you don't seem to understand the Clintons.  Hillary needs to win.  The Clinton's need to win.  She's not gonna play 2nd fiddle to a rookie Senator





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Re: Obama continues to chip away at Clinton's base
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 05:16:37 PM »
Hillary wil get the Black vote for the same reason the Evangelical vote goes overwhelmingly Republican, namely, it is the lesser of two evils. Therefore, the Democrats will get the Black vote regardless whether Obama is on the ticket or not.
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This is utter nonsense and reveals an intense lack of knowledge.

While it may be true that the Black people who always vote will vote for Hillary, the percentage of Blacks who CAN vote ois much smaller than the percentage who DO vote. If Obama is on the ticket, there will be a heretofore unprecedented percentage of Blacks who will register and then vote for Obama. We saw this clearly in the precinct where I vote.

In the same way, with McCain on the ticket, many so-called conservatives and evangelicals will stay home, because they do not think they share anything in common with McCain, and indeed, many don't. So they will stay home and npot vote at all.

Winning an election depends on both getting people to the polls and getting their vote when you do.
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