Once Again You RW Lying Sacks of Feces Are Found Out

[Knutey]

US: Bombers didn't have Down syndrome
By BRADLEY BROOKS, Associated Press Writer
58 minutes ago
The U.S. military said Wednesday that two women used as suicide bombers in attacks earlier this month had undergone psychiatric treatment but there is no indication they had Down syndrome as Iraqi and U.S. officials initially had claimed.

Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a military spokesman, said the women used in the Feb. 1 pet market bombings had been identified as residents from the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad who were in their late 20s or early 30s.

The two attacks killed nearly 100 people, and Iraqi and U.S. officials said at the time the women appeared to be unwitting attackers.

Lt. Gen. Abboud Qanbar, the chief Iraqi military commander in Baghdad, said soon after the attacks that photos of the women's heads showed they had Down syndrome, but he did not offer any other proof.

A U.S. military spokesman for the Baghdad area, Lt. Col. Steve Stover, also said at the time that medical experts with his division had examined the photos and agreed the women probably suffered from the genetic disorder. "They were both females and they both looked like they had Down syndrome," Stover said on Feb. 2.

A cell phone image of one of the heads viewed by The Associated Press was inconclusive.

There was speculation that the heads could have been distorted by the blast, leading police initially to believe they had Down syndrome.

On Wednesday, Smith backed away from the claim about Down syndrome while responding to a question concerning the psychiatric histories of the two bombers.

"Both had recently received psychiatric treatment for depression and/or schizophrenia. From what we know now there's no indication that they had Down syndrome," Smith said, citing records obtained by the military.

Smith also said one of the women was married but that neither had criminal backgrounds. He said it was not clear how they were linked to al-Qaida in Iraq, which the military has said was behind the bombing.

The director of the Ibn-Rushd psychiatric teaching hospital in central Baghdad, Dr. Shalan al-Abboudi, said that one of the pet market bombers, a 36-year-old married woman, had been treated there for schizophrenia and depression, according to her file. Refusing to identify her, he said she received electric shock therapy and was released into the custody of an aunt.

Smith did not address other details of the bombings. Iraqi officials have said the explosives were detonated by remote-control, presumably because people with Down syndrome could not be relied upon to set off the bombs.

The U.S. military and the Iraqi government have claimed that Sunni insurgents led by al-Qaida in Iraq are increasingly trying to use Iraq's most vulnerable populations as suicide bombers to avoid raising suspicions or being searched at checkpoints that guard access to many markets, neighborhoods and bridges in the capital.

The pet market attacks led Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to call al-Qaida in Iraq "the most brutal and bankrupt of movements."

On Tuesday, the Iraqi Interior Ministry ordered police to begin rounding up beggars, homeless and mentally disabled people from the streets of Baghdad and other cities to prevent insurgents from using them as bombers.

The people detained in the Baghdad sweep will be handed over to social welfare institutions and psychiatric hospitals that can provide shelter and care for them, according to the ministry.

It is not clear, however, that such people would be safe in psychiatric hospitals. American and Iraqi troops recently detained the acting director of the al-Rashad psychiatric hospital in eastern Baghdad on suspicion of helping supply patient information to al-Qaida in Iraq.

Police in central Baghdad detained eight beggars, three women and five men Wednesday, but they found few other street people a day after the campaign was announced, an officer said.

The officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information, said a joint committee of police and social welfare officials will decide what to do with those taken into custody. Those considered beggars could be allowed to go home with relatives after signing a written pledge promising not to pander in the future, the officer said.

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Associated Press writer Saad Abdul-Kadir contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080220/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_bombers&printer=1;_ylt=AtncC3aubskekX.OR0AamPcUewgF

[Plane]

The U.S. military said Wednesday that two women used as suicide bombers in attacks earlier this month had undergone psychiatric treatment but there is no indication they had Down syndrome as Iraqi and U.S. officials initially had claimed.

Let me get this straight ,The U.S. military RW Lying Sacks of Feces Are Found Out,Once Again , by The U.S. military?

That the women were not suffering downs syndrome , but perhaps  depression and/or schizophrenia?

How is this nicer for Al Queda?

Downs syndrome can be proved or disproved with a DNA sample ,  depression and/or schizophrenia can only be demonstrated if the bombers had medical records .

Locking up everyone thatisn't perfectly mentally put together is no solution , it works better to use gangbusting tecniques on Al Queda itself.

[fatman]

He said it was not clear how they were linked to al-Qaida in Iraq, which the military has said was behind the bombing.

I don't understand this.  If the military doesn't know how the bombers were linked to al-Q in Iraq, how do they know al-Q in Iraq was behind the bombing?  Isn't this putting the cart before the horse?  Seems to me that there would be a link that you could base this belief on.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No sane person of any religion would voluntarily blow themselves up. If  some manipulative political mastermind were to do it, he could do it only once, so the obvious thing about suicide bombers is that said manipulative masterminds are either conditioning sane people to do this or insane people to concentrate on being at the proper place and time to blow themselves up or be blown up by remote control. The Palestinian film Paradise is a pretty good representation of how this process works.

Like convincing healthy young Americans to join the Marines and put themselves in harm's way for the illusory goal of bringing "democracy" to a place where there has been none for 6000 years, one of the main elements is turning the recruit into an obedient sheeple and then using the suasion of his buddies to perform what most people would consider an insane act. A sane young American might consider the Coast Guard or Merchant Marine, or perhaps even the Navy, which would provide the exact same benefits, with perhaps a less snazzy dress uniform. There are certainly better ways for an Iraqi to fight for the dominance of his group (Shiite, Sunni, Al Qaeda or Kurd) as well.
 

Suicide bombing is a tactic that can't be used to take over anything: it is by nature a disruptive tactic that at best can only prevent the opposition from taking control.

It is hardly of any importance that the suicide bomber is mentally challenged, insane or simply brainwashed. Once they blow themselves up, they prove by that very act that they were expendable.

[Plane]

Where was Democracy 6000 years ago?

Does a long history of undemocracy prevent the establishment of democracy somehow?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Does a long history of undemocracy prevent the establishment of democracy somehow?
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Of course it does.

Look, every nation that is a democracy is one because the people of that country decided that they wanted one and designed one to fit their culture.

The Iraqi democracy is doomed from the start because it was imposed from above by the US. Iraqis understand mostly that they want only THEIR faction to control the country: Sunni or Shiite. They wil not compromise. When it it time to make the hard decisions, the Iraqi Parliament goes on vacation. They stay in the Green Zone protected by foreign troops because they refuse to assemble an army and police force capable of even defending them from other Iraqis.

 Every country will have the worst government that the people will tolerate.
Norwegians are very intolerant of corruption, secrecy and incompetent, and Norway is very well-run.

Algerians are quite tolerant, and mostly only concentrate on their families and tribal groups, and Algeria is hugely corrupt and despite bazillions in oil revenue, most people are still very very poor in every sense of the word.


When Iraqis decide that compromise with their countrymen is better than constant violence or perhaps just spliting the country into its logical three parts, they will have a democracy, and not until. This may never happen.

But the US has done all that it could do. It is a total waste of our taxes to continue subsidizing sloth, incompetence, violence and half-hearted attempts to turn Iraq into a modern nation.  The US has proven incapable of bringing democracy to Korea, Taiwan, the Philipines, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic and Haiti. In each case, the US did what it could and then left it to the locals, and they muddled about for a time until they finally produced a democracy on their own.

What we are doing now is like chewing their food for them. And they aren't swallowing it. It's a waste of time and money.

[Plane]

"Look, every nation that is a democracy is one because the people of that country decided that they wanted one ........"

Are you sure this is true?

There was certainly a time in which none of the world was democratic , but in every country that has had democracy in its anchient history there have also been periods of despotism. There isn't anything to be preferred in despotism unless you a a freind of the despot.


Most Iriquis do want democracy , we have seen this clearly , but most Iriquis do not want to make war so a minority that does want to make war can spoil the democracy the way a little urine can spoil a lot of punch.

We are not fighting all of Iraq nor even most of it we are fighting a minority with the help of the majority , there is a lot of hope still.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The only hope is that the money we are pissing away on this useless venture will not bankrupt the country.

Your dollar is worth 40% less in Canadian money and 30% less in Euros thanks to this nonsense.

Is a photo of a smiling Iraqi with a purple finger worth $100,000?

[Knutey]

>>Let me get this straight ,The U.S. military RW Lying Sacks of Feces Are Found Out,Once Again , by The U.S. military?
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Once again  you miss the point. It is you RW nutcases that are the liars by pouncing  on a wrong fact and promoting it as truth without any verification and then oersisting and weaseling about it just as you are now.

I was leery of this story when it was attributed to an " Iraqi" source. The fantasizing Bush military didn't originally doubt it because it fit their prejudices just as the war in the wrong country confirms y'alls.