Israel threatens Holocaust

[Michael Tee]

<<Of course, the Universe might simply be timeless, with no end OR beginning, and like a kaleidoscope, it changes again and again until every possible permutation and possibity has occurred, then it starts all over again, simple because that is its nature.>>

That's Schopenhauer's Theory of Eternal Recurrences.  Since the amount of matter in the universe is finite but the existence of the universe is eternal, sooner or later every combination of matter (such as the present constitution of the universe) will repeat.  Thus the present moment has already come and gone an infinite number of times and will repeat an infinite number of future times.  Since we won't exist in between the combination and the recombination, we have no memory of the intervening trillions of years, but exist only in this eternal present.

If God is using the Nazis to punish the Jews, you're right - - the Nazis have no free will.  They're like the animals of the forest.  They can't be punished for what they do because they are not the Chosen People of God, so God does not expect moral conduct from them.  Actually, in Orthodox Jewish theology, gentiles have no souls and are just a part of the universe created by God for the Jews to live out whatever lives they have to live, whether as entertainment moguls, slaves of the Pharaoh, Holocaust victims or Borscht Belt comedians.  There was a Talmudic phrase in the Hebrew language, "animals without souls," which the rabbis used to describe the gentiles.  This is one of the reasons I don't really buy into the religion - - the whole thing sounds kinda racist to me.

[Michael Tee]

How terribly sad it is.

That this Leader is a Jew and uses the word Shoah which he certainly understands .

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That's not sad, it's disgraceful.  A Jew who has learned absolutely nothing from the Holocaust.

[BT]

The deputy defense minister is being honest.
If the palestinians continue to lob rockets over the border Israel will have no choice but to respond .

They do have the right to protect their citizens.

[Christians4LessGvt]

and some half-wit was saying in here recently
that Isreal could not exterminate the enemy?

yeah, you wanna bet?

again, there would be no missles if I was in charge.

just like there are no missles coming from the confederacy

you freaking destroy the enemy or they continue to be a pest

[kimba1]

well
maybe they can`t
palestine and israel have that in common ,these are people not truely tied to the land despite all they say
if that chunk of land get blown up
most definately the people will still be around.
remember most of the population is imported from around the world.
complicated just don`t describe it.

[Michael Tee]

<<They do have the right to protect their citizens. >>

With a holocaust??  You're as crazy as they are.

[BT]

You quibble about words. Language is universal. No one owns a word. Holocaust is no more sacred than trail of tears.

The jist of the statement is innocent civilians will die if Palestinians continue to lob rockets over the border. Because Israel certainly will respond. And rockets don't discriminate.

[Michael Tee]

<<You quibble about words. Language is universal. No one owns a word. Holocaust is no more sacred than trail of tears.>>

Words have meanings, BT.  Unless you are sirs, in which case a word means whatever you want it to mean.

<<The jist of the statement is innocent civilians will die if Palestinians continue to lob rockets . . . >>

Use your head.  Innocent civilians are already dying every day NOW because the Palestinians are lobbing rockets.  32 Arabs to one Jew.  Including eight dead Arab children.  You're telling me those eight kids weren't innocent?

"Holocaust" means MORE than 32 civilians.  He's threatening massive carnage.  That's what Holocaust means. 

 <<Because Israel certainly will respond. And rockets don't discriminate.>>

Pay attention to what the guy said.  He did NOT say "Israel will respond."  What he said was that Israel would unleash a Holocaust upon the Palestinians.

[Christians4LessGvt]

US warships move into E. Mediterranean in case Gaza escalation
spills over into Lebanon

February 29, 2008, 1:30 PM (GMT+02:00)
 
Egyptian Gen. Suleiman cancels Israel visit

Friday, Feb. 29, Egypt?s intelligence minister Omar Suleiman canceled his visit to Israel because of estimates in Cairo that hectic preparations current in Israel and the Gaza Strip augur a steep escalation of cross-border violence.

DEBKAfile?s military sources report: Officials in Cairo expect Israel redouble its air bombardment and armored raids against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, and Hamas to intensify and broaden the scope of its missile and rocket attacks on Israeli towns and villages.

Both sides are convinced that a further ratcheting-up of the war will generate indirect truce talks through a third party.

The US has meanwhile posted naval and marine vessels opposite the shores of Israel and Lebanon in case the fighting spreads to a second front. DEBKAfile?s Washington sources quote US and Israeli military sources as skeptical of the chances that prime minister Ehud Olmert and defense minister Ehud Barak will secure a ceasefire. The Gaza conflagration is more likely, they believe, to stir Hizballah to ignite a fresh assault from South Lebanon.

These sources point to four significant developments to watch for:

1. Hizballah is adamant about avenging the death of its military commander Imad Mughniyeh by border strikes against Israel and terrorist attacks inside the country. This Iranian front group is also committed to helping Hamas. The end of the 40 days of mourning for Mughniyeh on March 22-23 is anxiously awaited.

2. Israel is braced for this eventuality and in mid-preparation for its army to turn the tables on a Hizballah assault and carry the war into Lebanon.

US intelligence sources note that last week, the IDF deployed Patriot missile defense batteries around Haifa in case Hizballah unleashes a rocket offensive on the North as in 2005.

Our sources also report that local authorities and private security firms responsible for public safety in northern Israel were instructed to inspect bomb shelters and ascertain they were ready for use by March 10.

3. The quarrel between Saudi King Abdullah and Syrian president Bashar Assad, which is nearing boiling point, threatens to be fought out in Lebanon, their main bone of contention. Both are sending quantities of arms and ammo to the Lebanese militias under their respective wings.

4. This week, Abdullah persuaded Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and Jordan?s Abdullah to boycott the forthcoming Arab League summit in Damascus. Assad is unlikely to take this slap in the face lying down. There are indications he is ready to stir up Palestinian terrorist groups for attacks on Saudi, American and Israeli interests in the region.

Standing close by for immediate action off the troubled Mediterranean shores of Lebanon, Israel and Gaza is the USS Cole guided missile destroyer opposite Lebanon. It was joined Monday by the USS Nassau amphibious warship and its strike group of six vessels carrying 2,800 marines, flight crews and sailors. US naval sources report that a third group will join them shortly.

DEBKAfile?s military sources report the Nassau is accompanied by the amphibious transport dock ship USS Nashville , the guided missile destroyers USS Ross and USS Bulkeley and the fast nuclear strike submarine USS Albany SSN 753.

While cruising off the Lebanese coast, this formidable US naval force (AKA KICK SOME Hizballah ASS)  is close enough to the shores of Israel and Gaza to respond to developing emergencies.

[Michael Tee]

<<The Gaza conflagration is more likely, they believe, to stir Hizballah to ignite a fresh assault from South Lebanon.>>

Anything's possible, but I will stick my neck out and predict that Hezbollah will NOT attack Israel from South Lebanon.  The reason being that Israel WANTS the confrontation.  Israel is prepared.  Israel got its ass kicked and wants a rematch.  Desperately.  The assassination of Mughniyeh in Damascus was a deliberate provocation.  But Hezbollah's a guerrilla organization.  They attack when they choose to attack, not when Israel wants them to attack.  And they attack where they choose to attack, not where Israel expects them to attack.

I believe that Mughniyeh will be avenged, but the time and place will be chosen by Hezbollah, not dictated by Israel.

[BT]

I believe that Mughniyeh will be avenged, but the time and place will be chosen by Hezbollah, not dictated by Israel.

And wherever that is don't expect Israel to be burdened with the niceties of a proportional response, no matter the name.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Fires blaze in Ashkelon's shopping center from direct rocket hit Saturday as Gaza war intensifies
March 1, 2008, 4:46 PM (GMT+02:00)
 
Ashkelon woman wounded by Palestinian rocket

Military sources report that after 21 missiles slammed into Ashkelon and Sderot and their environs overnight, Israeli Givati Brigade troops backed by tanks, F-16 fighters and helicopters went after terrorist targets in Sejaya and Jebalya, N. Gaza Strip early morning Saturday, March 1. Five Israeli soldiers were injured, two very seriously. The Palestinians report 32 dead and dozens of injured casualties.

Two waves of Grad rockets hit the Israeli town of Ashkelon for the third day running. Two crashed into a house, injuring 5 people, two of them children. There were dozens of shock victims. Another 11 Qassam missiles explode at Sderot early Saturday - 39 in all so far.

Our military sources report the Israeli military command is now targeting Hamas rule of the Gaza Strip as ultimately the only effective way of halting the Palestinian missile offensive against civilian locations. It therefore proposes to systematically destroy Hamas institutions one by one until its rule of Gaza caves in.

This tactic was presented to prime minister Ehud Olmert Friday on his return from Japan. If Hamas alternatively decides it can no longer afford the exorbitant price exacted by the Israeli military for sustaining its missile offensive, so much the better. Meanwhile, the port town of Ashdod north of Ashkelon and 27 km from Gaza is preparing for start of Palestinian rockets attacks. Twelve alert systems are ready.

The IDF has set itself the following targets:

Every Palestinian military and security installation belonging to Hamas, as well as its Al Dawa social welfare branches used as meeting places and the money changers? places of business.

A series of ground operations on the same lines as the Sejayia raid will be launched to drive Hamas and its allied terrorist groups out of northern Gaza ? the sites of most missile launches against Ashkelon and Sderot. Once this part of the territory is purged, Israeli military control can be exercised without reoccupation.

Palestinian sources report that Hamas leaders are well aware of the IDF's revamped tactics and have employed counter-measures.

1. Their heads of government, armed wings and clerical authorities have gone to ground.

2. Their rank and file have taken over an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 civilian homes around Gaza City active and set up a wall for the town's defense. Each home is provisioned with sufficient ammo, water and food for three weeks? combat.

3. All Hamas operatives have dumped their cell phones and all means of communication which could betray their whereabouts. Orders and messages are carried by courier, usually children.

4. Thousands of missiles and rockets of different types are stocked in private homes and schools inside Gaza City and its refugee camps to escape Israeli attacks. This stratagem allows Hamas to calibrate its missile barrages on Israeli civilians according to the intensity of Israeli strikes against them.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5066

[Xavier_Onassis]

Does your theroy require that we will always understand the choices , purposes and work of a being of greater intelligence than we have?
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My theory doesn't actually attribute the universe to any creation.
There may or may not be a greater intelligence than we have.  would imagine that in a nearly infinite universe there are many, but they did not have anything to do with the design of the universe.

It seems pretty obvious to me that whatever the purpose of the universe, it was not intended that we comprehend it. f we do, that is fine, just as we understand gravity or the difference between an atmosphere and a vacuum, but if we don't, the universe and whomever or whatever designed it is not concerned with that.

[Michael Tee]

<<Anything's possible, but I will stick my neck out and predict that Hezbollah will NOT attack Israel from South Lebanon. >>

Correct so far.  These rocket attacks on Ashkelon and Sderot seem to be Hamas, not Hezbollah.  Hamas is the choice of the Palestinian people.  It can be forced underground but it will re-surface.

 El pueblo!/ unido!/ jamas sera vencido! (Cesar Chavez)

Crunch time is fast approaching.  The Israelis could not continue to occupy Gaza because of the cost.  They can invade.  They can bombard.  They can destroy.  Every time they do, they solidify the will of the people, they sap the strength of the "moderates," the "two-state-solution" advocates and they strengthen the grip of the extremists, the rejectionists.  One thing they cannot do is hold the land - - so in the end, the Hamas government keeps the upper hand.

[Holy shit!  I just noticed, the pronunciation of the last three words of the Cesar Chavez/La Raza slogan, is like the English "Hamas sera vencido!" ("Hamas will be conquered.")  Is that a sign or a symbol??]

I think they gotta talk - - soon.  Israel can't avoid its moment of truth much longer.

[Xavier_Onassis]

and some half-wit was saying in here recently
that Isreal could not exterminate the enemy?

yeah, you wanna bet?

again, there would be no missles if I was in charge.

just like there are no missles coming from the confederacy

you freaking destroy the enemy or they continue to be a pest
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So according to you, the union destroyed the confederacy, the Allies destroyed the Germans (twice) and the Vietnamese destroyed the United States. Extermination is very rarely the solution to a confrontational situation. The Israelis might barely be able to exterminate the two million plus people in Gaza, but this is not really an option, as genocide, especially for nations with a government, is opposed by everyone everywhere. What happened in Rwanda and Cambodia resulted in the end of both governments within a very short time. If Israel exterminated the people of Gaza, that would make Israel a pariah state, and that would end it for Israel in its present condition.

Defeating the Gazans that are building the rockets would be possible for a short term, since within several months different Gazans would be at it again. This seems to be what Isreal is trying to do presently.

There is a difference between defeat and extermination. perhaps you did not understand that.