Israel threatens Holocaust

[Christians4LessGvt]

The basic difference of course is that the Indians have come to accept the theft of their land by a numerically and technologically overwhelming white population

So you concede that there is no real difference except that the Indians have lost and the Palestinians just have not lost yet.
Numbers don't mean shit.
The Chinese have had numbers for centuries and they were a 3rd rate power.
Many rulers in history didn't command the numbers......They weren't voted in
But they had the power.
Isreal has the power and should use it.
Warn the enemy
Warn the enemy again
If the enemy doesn't listen, increase the pain level until they do listen

[BT]

Absurd equation.

Right! all is fair if it is for the advancement of the revolution.

[Michael Tee]

<<sorry i don't accept your "whitey is the bad guy".>>

Well,  maybe I got it all wrong.  Was it the blacks who enslaved whitey and brought them to the U.S.?  Were all those lynchings done by black guys stringing up white guys?  Who was being denied the vote i the south - - was it the whites keeping the blacks from voting or was it the other way round?  I dunno, maybe you're right.  I just never realized how bad the whites had it over here, how much persecution they suffered.  Why the hell did I think it was the WHITE guys who were so bad?

<<..."US is the bad guy" crap>> 

Shit.  I guess I got THAT one wrong too.  So the U.S. didn't invade Viet Nam or Iraq or Panama  It was the Vietnamese and then later the Panamanians and the Iraqis who invaded the U.S.A.  Boy I'm sure glad I started posting in Three Dead Horses.  The amount of amazing historical fact you can learn in here is actually mind-boggling.

[Michael Tee]

<<So you concede that there is no real difference except that the Indians have lost and the Palestinians just have not lost yet.>>

Well, there's also the time factor.  The Indians were defeated a long time ago and they reconciled themselves to their fate.   Sure there are plenty of ancient injustices.  THe Iroquois massacred the Hurons.  The Israelites massacred the Midianites.  I mean somewhere a line's gotta be drawn.  But you can't draw the line when the guns are still firing.

<<Numbers don't mean shit.
<<The Chinese have had numbers for centuries and they were a 3rd rate power.>>

But in due course, the weight of their numbers proved decisive.  In my kids' lifetimes, the Chinese will become the predominant power on this planet.  Same thing with the Arabs.  In the long run, the Jews are fucked.

<<Isreal has the power and should use it.
<<Warn the enemy
<<Warn the enemy again
<<If the enemy doesn't listen, increase the pain level until they do listen>>

Good thing they're a lot smarter than you.  The Amerikkkan puppets in the area are already skating on very thin ice.  The Jews don't want to send millions of angry screaming Arabs into the street anywhere, because the guardians of law and order are just human too.  If the cops and police fail to fire on the rioters and the rioters are allowed to tear open the gates of the palace, Amerikkka's puppet rulers in the area could all wind up torn limb from limb and dragged through the streets by their ankles with their eyes gouged out.  It's happened before.  It'll happen again.  There's a lot of anger out there and the Israelis know enough not to fan it into a flame.

[Christians4LessGvt]

maybe I got it all wrong.  Was it the blacks who enslaved whitey and brought them to the U.S.?

Americans didn't invent or start slavery and it still goes on today. But I know, I know, you just want to sensationalize American slavery instead of putting it in historical perspective as something that has basically always existed. It is a black mark on mankind just not the United States. The one difference is that American slaves once the slavery ended are far better off educationally and economically than the average Black in Africa that was not enslaved. I doubt throughout history if many former enslaved people have lived near the standard of living as today's African Americans. If it's soooooo bad in the United States why don't the  "African" Americans return to the "sacred homeland" where they would be the majority? Yeah, LOL,  like thats gonna happen! They wouldn't consider it because it freakin sucks there! It's a shithole. Go to any school in America and ask the young African Americans if they wanna return to their so called "homeland"? Say wha? Hell it's sooooooo bad here in the US  black folks from Kenya, Somalia, ect.....are flooding our shores to sneak in here. Yeah theys wanna immigrates to bees nears all doze mean ole whiteys! Reality sucks doesn't it Micheal?

Were all those lynchings done by black guys stringing up white guys?

Blacks sold Blacks into slavery.

Who was being denied the vote i the south - - was it the whites keeping the blacks from voting or was it the other way round?  I dunno, maybe you're right. 

Hundreds of millions of people in the world today are denied a vote! But you freakin ignore that to demonize the United States who allows everyone to vote and is about to elect an African American President of the United States. Again US=BAD. Everyone elese denied voting even in today's world =Good

Shit.  I guess I got THAT one wrong too.  So the U.S. didn't invade Viet Nam or Iraq or Panama

Oh like the US is the first nation in history to invade anybody!
Ha!
US= BAD -->Everybody else that has invaded others!
Great logic.

Boy I'm sure glad I started posting in Three Dead Horses.  The amount of amazing historical fact you can learn in here is actually mind-boggling.

Actually the amount of historical facts you deny dwarfs any that I may miss, because you in your blind hatred of the United States you dismiss most other wrongs throughout history committed by non-Americans so you can focus and sensationalize any possible wrongs that Americans have committed.

You want to demonize Americans for what countless others have done throughout history.

Here in this thread again you demonize Isreal for "stealing land" while you sit on stolen land yourself!
Then you lamely try to rationalize it by basically saying "well that was a long time ago" or "well the people we shit on have accepted their fate". Somehow in your warped mind that makes it ok!

[Christians4LessGvt]

The Chinese have had numbers for centuries and they were a 3rd rate power.>>
But in due course, the weight of their numbers proved decisive.  In my kids' lifetimes, the Chinese will become the predominant power on this planet.

You are changing the subject.
You often do that when you are busted.
You said "numbers matter".
Well for centuries in China they have not.
They had huge numbers and were a failure.
Most of the world's population (huge numbers) do not have a high standard of living.
So numbers don't necessarily matter.
You say "if" or in the future they will, thats not factual thats an asssumption.
It is a fact in history that numbers have not mattered.
Again mine is a fact, your's is a hope.
As far as your kids lifetime, China will become more powerful only if they continue to allow more freedom.
Freedom of movement, freedom of economic activity.
No the Arabs are "fucked" unless they embrace freedom.
If freedom is not allowed Chinese nor Arabs will not dominate anything.

[sirs]

Boy I'm sure glad I started posting in Three Dead Horses.  The amount of amazing historical fact you can learn in here is actually mind-boggling.

Actually the amount of historical facts you deny dwarfs any that I may miss, because you in your blind hatred of the United States you dismiss most other wrongs throughout history committed by non-Americans so you can focus and sensationalize any possible wrongs that Americans have committed.  You want to demonize Americans for what countless others have done throughout history.

Simple explaination CU4.  Must fit template.....must fit template

[Michael Tee]

<<Here in this thread again you demonize Isreal for "stealing land" while you sit on stolen land yourself!
Then you lamely try to rationalize it by basically saying "well that was a long time ago" or "well the people we shit on have accepted their fate". Somehow in your warped mind that makes it ok!>>

Seems pretty simple to me.  They're stealing it even as the owners they're stealing it from are fighting like hell to get it back, lobbing grenades through the windows and shooting at the invaders.  How the hell any supposedly sane individual can compare that mess with the settlement of North America and the relative peace and calm that prevails here is beyond me.  The parties to the European settlement of North America have more or less come to a peaceful resolution of the problem, in part due to the huge numerical superiority of the Europeans now here.  The Jews don't have those numbers, the North American whites do.  The Indian Wars are OVER.  Get it?  Been over for a long, long time.  Can you understand the concept of a settlement?  That conflict has been SETTLED.  To the mutual agreement of the parties.

Your "Whitey good, Amerikka good" rant was kind of amusing if nothing else.  It seems to boil down to, "Slavery?  Lynching?  Invading other countries?  BFD, everyone does it." Plus the old tried and true sirs rejoinder, "If Amerikkka's so bad, why are they all trying to come here?"

The answer to the first part of your post is, those are miserable excuses, pathetic by any standards.  Besides which you really have to scrape the barrel to find a country who does ALL of those bad things and as often as the U.S. does them.  I don't think there IS another country whose track record is consistently that bad over that long a period of time.  As for the sirs standard, "How come they want to get in here?" the answer is really simple:  POVERTY.  They live in shit-holes.  Exploited by American capital and prevented by force (as in Latin America) by the CIA and powerful U.S. financial interests from ever improving their situation.

[sirs]

Actually, it's not my SOP;"How come they want to get in here?"  response.  In fact, I can't recall the last time I ever referenced such, but at least it keeps reinforcing how often Tee is wrong.  Thanks, Tee

[Michael Tee]

<<Actually, it's not my SOP;"How come they want to get in here?"  response.  In fact, I can't recall the last time I ever referenced such, but at least it keeps reinforcing how often Tee is wrong.  Thanks, Tee>>

You're too modest, sirs.  Or maybe you have some other reason for denying paternity.  But in any event, I always think of you when I hear that argument.  That's because you always raised it in our discussions of Cuba.  Are thousands of Americans risking their lives to raft over to Cuba or are thousands of Cubans risking their lives to raft over to Amerikkka?  Remember now?

[sirs]

<<Actually, it's not my SOP;"How come they want to get in here?"  response.  In fact, I can't recall the last time I ever referenced such, but at least it keeps reinforcing how often Tee is wrong.  Thanks, Tee>>

You're too modest, sirs.  Or maybe you have some other reason for denying paternity.  But in any event, I always think of you when I hear that argument. 

Ahh, I feel so warm & fuzzy now, with your repetative inaccuracies.  Thanks     

[_JS]

The point is Palestinians are lobbing rockets into Israel and killing people with them. Do you expect the Israeli's to turn the other cheek?

The point is that Israel is an apartheid state, with blatantly racist policies, yet you defend the Israeli Government and wish them well on cracking down on the Palestinians. Even to the point that a Minister discusses a holocaust against the Palestinians.

Why?

You all defend a state that acts as South Africa did, and it beggars belief as to why. What did the Palestinians do to you that you wish so much hatred and destruction on their lives?

[sirs]

You all defend a state that acts as South Africa did, and it beggars belief as to why. What did the Palestinians do to you that you wish so much hatred and destruction on their lives?

 

Speaking for myself;
A) It's NOT identical to South Africa
B) It's NOT hatred towards Palestinians
C) It's NOT wanton destruction to any and all Palestinian men, women, & children

What it IS, is the cycle of violence will only stop WHEN the militant extremists, that occupy Palestinian areas, Gaza, and the West Bank openly and clearly accept Israel's right to exist, RIGHT WHERE IT IS, or only WHEN, the Palestinian people make a concerted effort to rid their region of those elements, if they don't. 

THEN, and only then, will Isreal stop RETALIATING (meaning responding to initial attacks upon them), and we, as a Global body, can perhaps help straighten out some, if not most, of Israel's policies regarding Palestinians. 

THAT's what has to happen, since Israel taking some initiative to better Palestinan life, will NOT cause any cessation of those Islamic militants that want to wipe Isreal completely out of the region

And Right of Return is a non-starter, so no need to even touch that tangent

[Rich]

>>The point is that Israel is an apartheid state, with blatantly racist policies,... <<

More socialist lies.

Arabs serve in all aspects of Israeli society, and I've proven it here time and time again. The lies terrorists and their supporters tell about Israel are just to ingrained for them to stop repeating. They simply can't help themselves.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Arabs serve in all aspects of Israeli society, and I've proven it here time and time again. The lies terrorists and their supporters tell about Israel are just to ingrained for them to stop repeating. They simply can't help themselves.

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You have never actually been to Israel and you don't know sh*t. Richie.
We all know you don't know sh*t. You can stop now, no further proof is necessary.

You are what is commonly known as a "patsy".