Israel threatens Holocaust

[Rich]

BO, you must pay better attention you little worm. I posted the stats, they don't lie.

Unlike you, shit for brains.

[Michael Tee]

>>The point is that Israel is an apartheid state, with blatantly racist policies,... <<

<<More socialist lies.

<<Arabs serve in all aspects of Israeli society, and I've proven it here time and time again. >>

HILARIOUS.  ROTFLMFAO.  Here's a little reading list for those who want a little insight into Israeli racism.  Incidentally, the very idea of the Right of Return is racist - - any Jew can come from any corner of the earth but the Arab who was born there and was forced out at gunpoint can never return.

Racism Inside Israel
Phyllis Bennis is interviewed by Max Elbaum
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BEN108A.html


Charley Reese ? ?It is Absurd to Say Israel is Not a Racist State?
http://www.rense.com/general14/itisabsurd.htm



Wikipedia on Anti-Arabism in Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism#Israel


?Marriage to an Arab is National Treason?
Y-Net News
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3381978,00.html


?Forgive Us Our Racism? ? Ha?aretz Israel News
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860025.html


?Civil Rights Group:  Israel Has Reached New Heights of Racism?
Ha?aretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/932384.html

[_JS]

You all defend a state that acts as South Africa did, and it beggars belief as to why. What did the Palestinians do to you that you wish so much hatred and destruction on their lives?

 

Speaking for myself;
A) It's NOT identical to South Africa

Yet, Jews who fought for Israel and lived in South Africa have noted the similarities. Archbishop Desmond Tutu noted the similarities. These are people who KNOW apartheid. They have seen both countries, some have lived in both nations. Yet, Sirs claims it cannot be so because it doesn't fit his worldview. They have separate roads Sirs. They demolish neighborhoods and take private property from Palestinians. The Israli Government forcibly moves Palestinians to Gaza and the West Bank just as the South African Government forcibly moved blacks to the Bantustans. I have shown you all of this - what will it take for you to open your eyes? What more do you honestly need?

B) It's NOT hatred towards Palestinians

Really? What other nation would you sit by and allow this to happen in? YOU, Sirs, would never stand by and say nothing if Arabs were doing this to white Europeans. Be honest. If Black Africans were doing this to whites? Do you support Robert Mugabe's land reform projects in Zimbabwe? I thought not. It is acceptable here because it is the predominantly white Jewish Government destroying the Palestinians. If it were Black Africans doing the same to white European farmers - Sirs would disapprove I think (and not just you but the vast majority of Americans).

C) It's NOT wanton destruction to any and all Palestinian men, women, & children

The Israeli Government targets Palestinian children with .50 cal sniper rifles. No, it isn't wanton - you bet your ass it is willful destruction and deprivation. I gave that proof to Plane and you can search for it as well. The seizing of Palestinian land, the humiliation, the racially divided roads, the lack of jobs, the removal of Palestinians from quality schools and hospitals - this is POLICY. That is apartheid. They carry passes, just like the black South Africans did. It is purposeful humiliation, purposeful deprivation.

What you and others want is for Palestinians (which include Christians!) to roll over and take it. You want them to know their place, just like the Nationalists in South Africa wanted blacks to know their place.

My question is - why? They have no future. Why should they be satisfied with a life with no future? Why should they be satisfied with a life of telling their children to just roll over and accept that the Israeli Government dictates that their lives will be lived in squalor and shit? That they are third tier citizens, barely worth the .50 cal round it will take to put them down?

It really baffles my mind. This is the current generations South Africa and they are dealing with it worse than the previous generation dealt with that evil regime.

[_JS]

BO, you must pay better attention you little worm. I posted the stats, they don't lie.

Unlike you, shit for brains.

You and others like you are doing your best to fight alongside racists everywhere in the Armchair Race War.

Other than that, you deserve no recognition.

[sirs]

What you and others want is for Palestinians to roll over and take it. You want them to know their place, just like the Nationalists in South Africa wanted blacks to know their place.  My question is - why?

Pretty impossible to have this discussion with you, when you adopt such an asanine premise.  You apparently have no fricken clue what I want.  Israelis have no desire to see Palestinians "know their own place".  they're desire is to survive, to literally live in peace.  hard to do with so many enemies raining indiscriminate rockets on them, and then hiding amonst the populace.  But, what do you care....Israelis have it coming to them, as evil & diabolical as they are.     

[_JS]

What you and others want is for Palestinians to roll over and take it. You want them to know their place, just like the Nationalists in South Africa wanted blacks to know their place.  My question is - why?

Pretty impossible to have this discussion with you, when you adopt such an asanine premise.  You apparently have no fricken clue what I want.  Israelis have no desire to see Palestinians "know their own place".  they're desire is to survive, to literally live in peace.  hard to do with so many enemies raining indiscriminate rockets on them, and then hiding amonst the populace.  But, what do you care....Israelis have it coming to them, as evil & diabolical as they are.     

See, that's where you are wrong. I don't see Israelis as evil at all. Nor where most South African whites.

The problem is the Israeli Government and certain Israelis as it was with the South African Nationalists.

The truth is Sirs, you have no idea what Israelis want. I've shown you example after example of Israeli policies that are blatantly racist and very much akin to apartheid. Yet, you just close your eyes. And as I said, you'd never let this stand if it were Black Africans forcing whites into deprivation, confiscating their land, shooting their children. Admit it. What if it were Black African Muslims and white Christians?!? You'd be one of the first in here talking about what a disgrace it was and we need to mobilize our troops right this minute.

But it isn't. It is Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and non-religious who are being forced off of their property, watching their homes being bulldozed, watching their children murdered by an Israeli gunman, wondering if it will be their slum tenement that gets hit with the next round of Israeli artillery fire. They are forced to drive on racially divided roads. They are forced to be humiliated by Israeli soldiers at chekpoints - everytime they want to go and do mundane activities like see a doctor or go to a market.

But Lord have mercy - don't call it apartheid. Call it - "security." And I'm sure it has nothing to do with race...

[sirs]

See, that's where you are wrong. I don't see Israelis as evil at all.

Nor do I see Palestinians needing to "stay in their place".  Didn't stop you from making such an egregious conclusion regarding myself.  So, how does it feel?

The truth is Sirs, you have no idea what Israelis want.

I can bet that it's largely to do with being left alone, and being able to live in peace, without fear of unguided rockets raining down on their heads.  It's just a guess, but it has a pretty strong foundation.

And as I said, you'd never let this stand if it were Black Africans forcing whites into deprivation, confiscating their land, shooting their children. Admit it. What if it were Black African Muslims and white Christians?!? You'd be one of the first in here talking about what a disgrace it was and we need to mobilize our troops right this minute.

Let's put the timeline in place.....Israeli & Palestinian folks DID live in harmony, back in the late 40s.  It wasn't until Israel was being attacked, from nearly all sides, that Israel required the need to DEFEND itself, and take lands to help in that defense.  At no time did Israel act simply to take land in some supposed racist act of aggression.  Isreal, has over time adopted polices that are hurtful to Palestinians, but were largely done in an effort to better secure their defenses, NOT as some rabid racist apartheid organization, that you keep trying to paint them as.  And I'm all for advocating change there, WHEN Israel's enemies stop attacking it

If it were simply as you describe above, there'd be no excuse.  But it isn't, and YOU KNOW THAT.  You see, you want to trying placating the symptoms, when the disease I want to focus on is the effort by militant islam to rid the region of the state of Israel, 1 bomb busing at a time, if necessary.  But hey, Israel is the bad guy, so lets just keep kicking them

[Christians4LessGvt]

Seems pretty simple to me.  They're stealing it even as the owners they're stealing it from are fighting like hell to get it back, lobbing grenades through the windows and shooting at the invaders.

Yes and the North American Indians did basically did the same thing.
They fought like hell against people trying to take their land.
The Indians had less power, and they lost the battle.
Now you sit on those lands "stolen" from them.

How the hell any supposedly sane individual can compare that mess with the settlement of North America and the relative peace and calm that prevails here is beyond me.  The parties to the European settlement of North America have more or less come to a peaceful resolution of the problem, in part due to the huge numerical superiority of the Europeans now here.  

Superior power won.

You seemingly think numerical superiority = moral rightousness?

Like if 1000 people run into Macy's and take it over, claim it is theirs, that is somehow
morally better than if just 100 people do it?

If land is "stolen" by a numerical superiority invader that makes it ok?

The Jews don't have those numbers, the North American whites do.


Again, it's ok to steal land if you have the numbers, but not ok if you don't?
I thought "stealing was stealing" regardless of the number of thieves involved?
Plus we already discussed that.
Numbers dont matter anyway.
Countless countries are ruled by dictators unpopular with the people.
They could not win a majority vote, yet they rule.
They don't have the numbers, but they remain in power because they have superior power.

The Indian Wars are OVER.  Get it?  Been over for a long, long time. 

Who said it wasn't?
Of course it is over because one more powerful group "stole" the land from another group.
Like I said it has happened countless times throughout history.
Nothing unique about Israel doing it.
It happened on the lands where you now sit.
But you then condemn Israel for "stealing" land when you yourself sit on "stolen land".
It doesn't matter that the conflict in your case is currently "settled"
It doesn't change the fact you sit and benefit from "stolen land"
But then condemn others for "stealing land"

Can you understand the concept of a settlement?

Yes in most cases it is called destroying the enemy.
The land you sit on this minute came from "destroying an enemy".
Israel is in the process of destroying an enemy.
Is the outcome decided yet?
No, just like your "stolen" land was at one time undecided.
It is still the same issue.
A superior force destroying a less superior force and taking territory.

That conflict has been SETTLED.  To the mutual agreement of the parties.

Yes it was settled because of destruction, and forced mutual agreement.
Thats what I want Israel to do.
Destroy the enemy and force a "mutual agreement" like was done with the land you sit on.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Numbers are everything.

If you disregard the numbers, nothing will come out right.

If you wait and see for a decade or three, you will see that the problem was that the Israelis didn't have the numbers.

[Rich]

>>Pretty impossible to have this discussion with you, when you adopt such an asanine premise.<<

Look, you're dealing with three people who want to finish what Hitler started. JS is simply lying. I've proven him to be a lying piece of trash in the past on this issue. It makes no difference to people like him. He's created his own reality so let him wallow in it.

BO is simply a moron who follows the pack and Mike is a manic depressive living in his twisted delusion.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I've proven him to be a lying piece of trash in the past on this issue.
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You have never proven anything to anyone except yourself, Richie.

[sirs]

Yea, you keep right on believing that Xo.  Whatever makes you feel better

[Michael Tee]

<<Of course it is over because one more powerful group "stole" the land from another group.
<<Like I said it has happened countless times throughout history.
<<Nothing unique about Israel doing it.>>

What's "unique" is that they don't have the numbers to pull it off AND their failures and barbarities are being televised to the whole world.  Nothing unique about a lion taking on a hyena.  But when an oversized house cat with leonine delusions takes on a hyena, now THAT'S unique.

<<It happened on the lands where you now sit.
<<But you then condemn Israel for "stealing" land when you yourself sit on "stolen land".
<<It doesn't matter that the conflict in your case is currently "settled">>

With all due respect, it makes all the difference in the world.  Do you see any worldwide shitstorm of outrage directed at Canada for displacing its native peoples?  People tend to get more worked up about current atrocities and outrages, not over something that occurred 150 years ago, well beyond the range of living human memory.

<<It doesn't change the fact you sit and benefit from "stolen land"
<<But then condemn others for "stealing land">>

I condemn them and I might have condemned the European settlers back then - - except (another big difference!) it seemed at the time that there was a helluva lotta land available, plenty for everyone.

<<Yes in most cases it [settlement of disputes] is called destroying the enemy.
<<The land you sit on this minute came from "destroying an enemy".>>

It came from defeating an enemy due to vastly superior numbers and firepower.  Advantages which the Israelis do not have.

<<Israel is in the process of destroying an enemy.>>

Highly debatable.  I'd say they don't dare destroy the enemy for fear of suffering far worse consequences than any that any enemy might inflict.  Furthermore, they are probably only in the process of pissing off an enemy and pissing off most of the rest of the world at the same time.

<<Yes it was settled because of destruction, and forced mutual agreement.>>

No, it was settled because the Indians saw the futility of continuing the struggle.  They were vastly outnumbered and they knew it.

<<Thats what I want Israel to do.>>

They would be signing their own death warrant if they did.

<<Destroy the enemy and force a "mutual agreement" like was done with the land you sit on.>>

They just can't do it, CU4.  You gotta live in the real world.  They couldn't hold South Lebanon.  They were forced by economic constraints to abandon the occupation of Gaza.  Sooner or later, the Amerikkkans will get tired of bankrolling them.  These occupations are hugely expensive and the public gets sick and tired of seing sons and daughters getting killed in pointless occupations that everyone knows will have to end sooner or later.

[Michael Tee]

<<JS is simply lying. I've proven him to be a lying piece of trash in the past on this issue. It makes no difference to people like him. He's created his own reality so let him wallow in it.>>

You've never proven anyone as far as I remember to be a lying anything.  As far as creating one's own reality, even in this thread you claimed that allegations of Israel being a racist, apartheid state were "socialist lies", which is such a ludicrous piece of bullshit that it boggles the imagination.  I posted numerous links to articles which establish beyond dispute that Israel is EXACTLY a racist, apartheid state, none of them, as far as I know, emanating from socialist sources.

[Christians4LessGvt]

yeah yeah all a bunch of talk
they own the land
they own the Palestinians
if Iran or anybody else wants to invade
well go ahead and try
If Iran invades Israel, Iran will be destroyed
They know it, you know it, I know it.
Thats why the morons that cant do anything themselves (Iran) are tying to get Russians/Koreans to build it for them
Hello? We are morons that cant figure out how to do it ourselves, maybe we can buy one
We can build IslamoNazis but complicated stuff, no bueno.
We've built so many things that have changed the world. uh like what?
Jezzzzz how pathetic
Tehran will be warned and if they choose to cross a line Iran will get nuked if necessary
And Michael who will do anything if Tehran is nuked?
Oh my the UN will condemn, big freaking deal.
Israel will not be liked, oh my, they are so well liked now
Tell me Michael, is Russia going to invade Israel if Tehran is nuked?
Laughable
Whats China gonna do? Invade Israel?
Laughable
The winner of this game is toughest, meanest son of a bitch
And Isreal will incinerate anyone that wants go the distance.
Dont think so?
Ok try it Iran.
Lets go tonight!