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Kennedy Ad: 1960
« on: March 01, 2008, 05:15:53 AM »
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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 02:42:47 PM »
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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 02:55:37 PM »
Meanwhile, his brother is authorizing roaming wiretaps on Martin Luther King.


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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2008, 07:08:30 PM »
Meanwhile, his brother is authorizing roaming wiretaps on Martin Luther King.

Nonsense.  In order to do something like that, you have to be a paranoid, Hitler-loving Republican . . .
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 08:26:39 PM »
Nonsense.  In order to do something like that, you have to be a paranoid, Hitler-loving Republican . . .

Oh yeah?  For some reason, I don't quite believe that.

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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2008, 10:21:57 PM »
In fairness to Bobby, he knew Hoover had some major dirt on his brother and himself.


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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 11:33:09 PM »
Does the hypocrisy of JFK de-legitimize the speech?

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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2008, 11:35:24 PM »
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Shortly after the Kennedy ad.  I think this clip is from the documentary "Why We Fight", which is one of the best documentaries I've seen in awhile.
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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2008, 11:36:08 PM »
crap.  Bt, how do we post youtube movies?

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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2008, 11:41:55 PM »
Life isn't black and white, good or evil. It is a constant kaleidescope of shades of gray.

You were talking about Nixon in an earlier thread. Did Deep throat feed Woodward and Bernstein for altruistic reasons or was he bitter because he was passed over to succeed Hoover?

Shades of gray. Ideal vs real.




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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2008, 11:44:05 PM »
Life isn't black and white, good or evil. It is a constant kaleidescope of shades of gray.

You were talking about Nixon in an earlier thread. Did Deep throat feed Woodward and Bernstein for altruistic reasons or was he bitter because he was passed over to succeed Hoover?

Shades of gray. Ideal vs real.


Excellent point and taken.  I think it was in the same post that you referenced that I also said that I felt JFK was overrated as a President.

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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2008, 11:46:46 PM »
crap.  Bt, how do we post youtube movies?

second row far left is a youtube icon. surround the youtube video id with this. same way you would bold a phrase.




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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2008, 11:52:52 PM »
Thanks for the help bt

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Re: Kennedy Ad: 1960
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2008, 12:10:49 AM »
Oh yeah?  For some reason, I don't quite believe that.

I'm hoping you realized I was being sarcastic and you were responding in kind.  If not, please be aware that I meant that as a comparison with the current screeching about wiretapping under the Patriot Act.   It is amazing to me to find that MLK - often linked with the Kennedy icons - was being targetted by them.  It is a sad revision to history which is not yet politically ripe for revision.  It's kind of like suggesting one of Christ's apostles would betray him - oh wait, one did.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 12:19:22 AM »
I'm hoping you realized I was being sarcastic and you were responding in kind.

Of course, I read here often enough that I know where you stand on a lot of things Pooch.  I apologize for not clarifying my dry humor.

If not, please be aware that I meant that as a comparison with the current screeching about wiretapping under the Patriot Act.

I don't agree with the domestic wiretaps in either case.  The communist threat as stated by J. Edgar was largely overstated (though not non-existent), and I think that arguments along the same line could be made about wiretapping under the PA.  It's hard to judge the effectiveness of wiretaps under the PA when there are no statistics, only the govt. saying "Trust us".  Sorry, but I don't.

It is amazing to me to find that MLK - often linked with the Kennedy icons - was being targetted by them.

Why?  The Kennedy's were the Hillary Clintons of their day (albeit a lot more charismatic), connected, wealthy, and doing whatever was politically expedient.  That said, J. Edgar was a force unto himself, doing pretty much whatever he wanted with no accountability because of his ability to blackmail.