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Economic Disaster Looms
« on: October 29, 2006, 01:57:21 AM »
I am VERY concerned over this!!!! AM i ALONE?

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Oct 28, 12:32 PM (ET)

By MATT CRENSON

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - David M. Walker sure talks like he's running for office. "This is about the future of our country, our kids and grandkids," the comptroller general of the United States warns a packed hall at Austin's historic Driskill Hotel. "We the people have to rise up to make sure things get changed."

But Walker doesn't want, or need, your vote this November. He already has a job as head of the Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress that audits and evaluates the performance of the federal government.

Basically, that makes Walker the nation's accountant-in-chief. And the accountant-in-chief's professional opinion is that the American public needs to tell Washington it's time to steer the nation off the path to financial ruin.

From the hustings and the airwaves this campaign season, America's political class can be heard debating Capitol Hill sex scandals, the wisdom of the war in Iraq and which party is tougher on terror. Democrats and Republicans talk of cutting taxes to make life easier for the American people.

What they don't talk about is a dirty little secret everyone in Washington knows, or at least should. The vast majority of economists and budget analysts agree: The ship of state is on a disastrous course, and will founder on the reefs of economic disaster if nothing is done to correct it.

There's a good reason politicians don't like to talk about the nation's long-term fiscal prospects. The subject is short on political theatrics and long on complicated economics, scary graphs and very big numbers. It reveals serious problems and offers no easy solutions. Anybody who wanted to deal with it seriously would have to talk about raising taxes and cutting benefits, nasty nostrums that might doom any candidate who prescribed them.

"There's no sexiness to it," laments Leita Hart-Fanta, an accountant who has just heard Walker's pitch. She suggests recruiting a trusted celebrity - maybe Oprah - to sell fiscal responsibility to the American people.

Walker doesn't want to make balancing the federal government's books sexy - he just wants to make it politically palatable. He has committed to touring the nation through the 2008 elections, talking to anybody who will listen about the fiscal black hole Washington has dug itself, the "demographic tsunami" that will come when the baby boom generation begins retiring and the recklessness of borrowing money from foreign lenders to pay for the operation of the U.S. government.

"He can speak forthrightly and independently because his job is not in jeopardy if he tells the truth," said Isabel V. Sawhill, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution.

Walker can talk in public about the nation's impending fiscal crisis because he has one of the most secure jobs in Washington. As comptroller general of the United States - basically, the government's chief accountant - he is serving a 15-year term that runs through 2013.

This year Walker has spoken to the Union League Club of Chicago and the Rotary Club of Atlanta, the Sons of the American Revolution and the World Future Society. But the backbone of his campaign has been the Fiscal Wake-up Tour, a traveling roadshow of economists and budget analysts who share Walker's concern for the nation's budgetary future.

"You can't solve a problem until the majority of the people believe you have a problem that needs to be solved," Walker says.

Polls suggest that Americans have only a vague sense of their government's long-term fiscal prospects. When pollsters ask Americans to name the most important problem facing America today - as a CBS News/New York Times poll of 1,131 Americans did in September - issues such as the war in Iraq, terrorism, jobs and the economy are most frequently mentioned. The deficit doesn't even crack the top 10.

Yet on the rare occasions that pollsters ask directly about the deficit, at least some people appear to recognize it as a problem. In a survey of 807 Americans last year by the Pew Center for the People and the Press, 42 percent of respondents said reducing the deficit should be a top priority; another 38 percent said it was important but a lower priority.

So the majority of the public appears to agree with Walker that the deficit is a serious problem, but only when they're made to think about it. Walker's challenge is to get people not just to think about it, but to pressure politicians to make the hard choices that are needed to keep the situation from spiraling out of control.

To show that the looming fiscal crisis is not a partisan issue, he brings along economists and budget analysts from across the political spectrum. In Austin, he's accompanied by Diane Lim Rogers, a liberal economist from the Brookings Institution, and Alison Acosta Fraser, director of the Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

"We all agree on what the choices are and what the numbers are," Fraser says.

Their basic message is this: If the United States government conducts business as usual over the next few decades, a national debt that is already $8.5 trillion could reach $46 trillion or more, adjusted for inflation. That's almost as much as the total net worth of every person in America - Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and those Google guys included.

A hole that big could paralyze the U.S. economy; according to some projections, just the interest payments on a debt that big would be as much as all the taxes the government collects today.

And every year that nothing is done about it, Walker says, the problem grows by $2 trillion to $3 trillion.

People who remember Ross Perot's rants in the 1992 presidential election may think of the federal debt as a problem of the past. But it never really went away after Perot made it an issue, it only took a breather. The federal government actually produced a surplus for a few years during the 1990s, thanks to a booming economy and fiscal restraint imposed by laws that were passed early in the decade. And though the federal debt has grown in dollar terms since 2001, it hasn't grown dramatically relative to the size of the economy.

But that's about to change, thanks to the country's three big entitlement programs - Social Security, Medicaid and especially Medicare. Medicaid and Medicare have grown progressively more expensive as the cost of health care has dramatically outpaced inflation over the past 30 years, a trend that is expected to continue for at least another decade or two.

And with the first baby boomers becoming eligible for Social Security in 2008 and for Medicare in 2011, the expenses of those two programs are about to increase dramatically due to demographic pressures. People are also living longer, which makes any program that provides benefits to retirees more expensive.

Medicare already costs four times as much as it did in 1970, measured as a percentage of the nation's gross domestic product. It currently comprises 13 percent of federal spending; by 2030, the Congressional Budget Office projects it will consume nearly a quarter of the budget.

Economists Jagadeesh Gokhale of the American Enterprise Institute and Kent Smetters of the University of Pennsylvania have an even scarier way of looking at Medicare. Their method calculates the program's long-term fiscal shortfall - the annual difference between its dedicated revenues and costs - over time.

By 2030 they calculate Medicare will be about $5 trillion in the hole, measured in 2004 dollars. By 2080, the fiscal imbalance will have risen to $25 trillion. And when you project the gap out to an infinite time horizon, it reaches $60 trillion.

Medicare so dominates the nation's fiscal future that some economists believe health care reform, rather than budget measures, is the best way to attack the problem.

"Obviously health care is a mess," says Dean Baker, a liberal economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington think tank. "No one's been willing to touch it, but that's what I see as front and center."

Social Security is a much less serious problem. The program currently pays for itself with a 12.4 percent payroll tax, and even produces a surplus that the government raids every year to pay other bills. But Social Security will begin to run deficits during the next century, and ultimately would need an infusion of $8 trillion if the government planned to keep its promises to every beneficiary.

Calculations by Boston University economist Lawrence Kotlikoff indicate that closing those gaps - $8 trillion for Social Security, many times that for Medicare - and paying off the existing deficit would require either an immediate doubling of personal and corporate income taxes, a two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits, or some combination of the two.

Why is America so fiscally unprepared for the next century? Like many of its citizens, the United States has spent the last few years racking up debt instead of saving for the future. Foreign lenders - primarily the central banks of China, Japan and other big U.S. trading partners - have been eager to lend the government money at low interest rates, making the current $8.5-trillion deficit about as painful as a big balance on a zero-percent credit card.

In her part of the fiscal wake-up tour presentation, Rogers tries to explain why that's a bad thing. For one thing, even when rates are low a bigger deficit means a greater portion of each tax dollar goes to interest payments rather than useful programs. And because foreigners now hold so much of the federal government's debt, those interest payments increasingly go overseas rather than to U.S. investors.

More serious is the possibility that foreign lenders might lose their enthusiasm for lending money to the United States. Because treasury bills are sold at auction, that would mean paying higher interest rates in the future. And it wouldn't just be the government's problem. All interest rates would rise, making mortgages, car payments and student loans costlier, too.

A modest rise in interest rates wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, Rogers said. America's consumers have as much of a borrowing problem as their government does, so higher rates could moderate overconsumption and encourage consumer saving. But a big jump in interest rates could cause economic catastrophe. Some economists even predict the government would resort to printing money to pay off its debt, a risky strategy that could lead to runaway inflation.

Macroeconomic meltdown is probably preventable, says Anjan Thakor, a professor of finance at Washington University in St. Louis. But to keep it at bay, he said, the government is essentially going to have to renegotiate some of the promises it has made to its citizens, probably by some combination of tax increases and benefit cuts.

But there's no way to avoid what Rogers considers the worst result of racking up a big deficit - the outrage of making our children and grandchildren repay the debts of their elders.

"It's an unfair burden for future generations," she says.

You'd think young people would be riled up over this issue, since they're the ones who will foot the bill when they're out in the working world. But students take more interest in issues like the Iraq war and gay marriage than the federal government's finances, says Emma Vernon, a member of the University of Texas Young Democrats.

"It's not something that can fire people up," she says.

The current political climate doesn't help. Washington tends to keep its fiscal house in better order when one party controls Congress and the other is in the White House, says Sawhill.

"It's kind of a paradoxical result. Your commonsense logic would tell you if one party is in control of everything they should be able to take action," Sawhill says.

But the last six years of Republican rule have produced tax cuts, record spending increases and a Medicare prescription drug plan that has been widely criticized as fiscally unsound. When President Clinton faced a Republican Congress during the 1990s, spending limits and other legislative tools helped produce a surplus.

So maybe a solution is at hand.

"We're likely to have at least partially divided government again," Sawhill said, referring to predictions that the Democrats will capture the House, and possibly the Senate, in next month's elections.

But Walker isn't optimistic that the government will be able to tackle its fiscal challenges so soon.

"Realistically what we hope to accomplish through the fiscal wake-up tour is ensure that any serious candidate for the presidency in 2008 will be forced to deal with the issue," he says. "The best we're going to get in the next couple of years is to slow the bleeding."


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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 01:07:04 AM »
You shoulda worried about it before you voted for the Bushidiot. Probly twice.

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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 01:17:10 AM »
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I am VERY concerned over this!!!! AM i ALONE?

What are you concerned about?

What steps are you taking to take care of that concern?




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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 01:26:40 AM »
More tax cuts might help, or perhaps tax increases would help.


Tax cuts are like planting more garden , tax increases are like harvesting more.

If you harvest more from a bigger garden it works .

What happens when you try to harvest more from a garden the same size?

Could you wind up with less to plant in the next garden?

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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 06:33:41 AM »
Plane---
Sounds to me like tax cuts got us in this position.  If you cut income and keep on spending, you get in trouble. We're in trouble.  We have to raise taxes, and cut spending.   
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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 12:34:50 PM »
"We're in trouble.  We have to raise taxes, and cut spending."

Bush's veto *non*-record speaks for itself. If the last nearly 6 years has taught us anything, it's that there isn't a bit of difference between the Democratic party and the GOP when it comes to fiscal resposibility.

This is one of those rare areas in life where gridlock is a good thing, which is what I supported back in 2000- not Bush, not Gore, but literally gridlock, the only way I saw that spending and government expansion could be held in check.

For 5 plus years, the man couldn't veto a single bill, not $1 of spending.

It's beyond absurd.

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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 01:14:37 PM »
BT asks what I am doing about it. Well, I wrote a letter to both President Bush and the RNC. I sent those letters to Saxby Chambliss, my U.S. Senator.

As far as the rest, I am apparently not in agreement with many of my Republican colleagues on the tax cut issue. I agree with Lanya. We need to increase taxes and reduce spending. In fact, I think we should balance the budget by whatever means necessary. This neocon spending is simply out of control and has been for some time. Or, institute a 23% (or whatever is necessary) VAT. Stop raiding the SS fund. Restart the draft. Limited deferments. (stirred the pot enough yet?)

For a start, let's take EVERY Federal Government Department and cut their budget across the board by, er, 20%. EVERYBODY. Gee, if DoD can't sustain their current ops with thisdecrease, thne I geuessthey have to make some important decisions, huh ('bout time!) Freeze Federal salaries (sorry, Plane). Freeze what the Federal government pays into the Federal employee healthcare system (again, sorry Plane). I was a GS-14 Computer Scientist and then started going into Executive Mgt there, and in seven years in the U.S. Department of the Treasury and I can tell you that few of the folks I met there could make their salaries in the private sector. If they feel they are underpaid, then they can pursue the private sector.

Then, lets form a bipartisan committee to make recommendations on how to balance the budget. Let's make those recommendations MANDATORY in execution. Be sure to have a diverse group from all major parties. Give 'em a deadline, say 24 months. Then implement those recommendations (doesn't really make them recommendations, huh?).

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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 01:29:27 PM »
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This neocon spending

What neocon spending. Please explain the influence of neocons on domestic policy

Who are these neocon leaders that are leading us down the path to ruination?

How does restarting te draft balance the budget.

The article mentioned three entitlement programs that will tip the budget.

Why is refoming these programs political suicide and what help did you provide Bush in his efforts to reform Social Security?

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 01:55:45 PM »
okay, I'll change the name to "current Republican mantra", if that will help.

Naw, restarting the draft won't affect balalncing the budget, unless you reduce salaries accordingly. After all, aren't current military salaries higher in order to attract them? And, if you compute that over the 3M people in uniform, that mgiht add up to some serious numbers. I haven't run the numbers.

I just had to get that in however as it would help us address some of these military staffing concerns.

"The article mentioned three entitlement programs that will tip the budget.

Why is refoming these programs political suicide and what help did you provide Bush in his efforts to reform Social Security?"


Those entitlement programs will continue to be serious spenders. Medicare, for example, needs to be trimmed. I am not sure how to reasonably do this until you enter the entire "universal health care" debate.

Many people seem to have this head in the sand attitude about this issue and it concerns me. Are you concerned about this Federal budget issue?

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 02:11:23 PM »
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Are you concerned about this Federal budget issue?

if you are asking whether i would support a balanced budget amendment, i certainly would.

I have stated repeatedly that universal health can be handled at the state level and paid for with a sales tax.

Social Security should at the minimum be barred from contributing to the general fund and iou's should not be considered legal tender. I would prefer that the program be privatized. or more likely modeled after the thrift savings program. All those under 40 would be enrolled in the new program, all those over 40 would remain in the old program. I have no problem eliminating the ceiling on income eligible for SS taxes.

and i would still like an explanation on who these neocon domestic policy leaders are.

You used the term. Certainly you have people in mind .




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Re: Economic Disaster Looms
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 02:13:50 PM »
Professor, you seem to be looking at trimming social programs.   What about the vast sums we pay to KBR, Halliburton, and other "contractors" to do things the regular military used to do?  To cook, build, etc.?    You know those employees get paid much, much more than our soldiers.  And it seems to me there's no oversight.  Lots of waste, and little appetite in the GOP Congress for curbing it.  It simply makes no sense.

Medicare is one program I would not cut.  That is vital to lives and health of so many people. 
I like your idea of freezing federal employees' wages.   State, county, and city employees wages should be frozen too.  How many minimum wage earners does it take to pay one hour of a city employee's wage, I wonder? 4?   

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 02:21:59 PM »
okay, I'll change the name to "current Republican mantra", if that will help.

I am speaking of the NEW Republicans, not the William Buckley types who were/are conservative fiscally as well.

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 02:23:00 PM »
Professor, you seem to be looking at trimming social programs.

Considering that the majority of the Federal Budget is spent on social programs, any budget cuts would have to impact them.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 02:24:54 PM »
Lanya, I just recommended a 20% iniital cut as a starting point and, to be fair, I appllied it across the board. Just as a starting point. The bipartisan commission can tweak this their charge.

Medicare simply costs too much and will continue to grow. There MUST be ways to effectively trim it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 02:29:14 PM »
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Considering that the majority of the Federal Budget is spent on social programs, any budget cuts would have to impact them.

And this probably goes a long way toward explaining why the problem exists in the first place. It's easy to say freeze federal wages when you don't recieve one. It is easy to point the finger at demon corporations when you don't work for one. It is easy to say raise taxes on the rich when it doesn't affect you.

But it is real hard to cut a benefit that you recieve.