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« on: October 29, 2006, 07:02:24 AM »

"Fort Bragg in North Carolina, where many Special Forces soldiers are based, is home to the Army's most-deployed soldier. That soldier, whom the Army declined to identify, has been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan nine times."


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-26-army-deployments_x.htm?csp=1


Army to spread burden of combat

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By Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The prospect of combat in Iraq for at least another four years is prompting the Army to realign its forces to prevent a small slice of soldiers who are shouldering much of the fighting from wearing out.

Pentagon records show one-fifth of the Army's active-duty troops have served multiple tours of war duty while more than 40% haven't been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan.

That disparity is behind the Army's plans to shift some soldiers to high-demand wartime specialties that could ease the burden on combat forces.

The Army announced this month that it plans to maintain its current force level in Iraq through 2010. There are about 105,000 soldiers in Iraq, 15,000 in Kuwait and 16,000 in Afghanistan.

The Army is moving soldiers from specialties such as artillery and air defense to high-demand roles: infantry, engineering, military police and intelligence, Special Forces, civil affairs and psychological operations, said Lt. Gen. Michael Rochelle, deputy chief of staff for Army personnel.

The Army has more soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan than the other services combined. It expects to complete the realignment by 2011.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, acknowledged this week that the Pentagon is sending active-duty troops overseas more frequently than it wants to, which is once in three years.

About 42% of the Army's 500,000 active-duty soldiers have not deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. They include about 80,000 fresh recruits, most of whom are being trained. More than 90,000 others are in the so-called institutional Army, those who train, equip and manage soldiers.

By 2011, there will be 50,000 more troops available for deployment than in 2001. Part of that will be accomplished by having civilian Army employees take over certain jobs from soldiers, freeing them up to fight.

Five years of fighting have put the Army on the verge of wearing out vital soldiers, said James Carafano, a retired Army colonel and military analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

The Army is still structured to fight Cold War enemies, which prevents it from deploying more troops, he said. "It's not a usable force in terms of mix and composition."

The Army has sent more than 144,000 active-duty, National Guard and Reserve soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan more than once. Army deployments typically last one year. Some soldiers, including special operations forces, have shorter tours.

Fort Bragg in North Carolina, where many Special Forces soldiers are based, is home to the Army's most-deployed soldier. That soldier, whom the Army declined to identify, has been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan nine times.


That's a "pocket of stress that we need to be concerned about," said retired Army colonel James Martin, an expert on military culture who teaches at Bryn Mawr College in Pennsylvania.
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Re: Incredible
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 02:10:18 PM »
Nine times! This is indicative of the overly-strained military. However, I see little the military is doing about this issue. Recruitng quotas are either barely being made or not....sigh.

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Re: Incredible
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 02:17:57 PM »
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Fort Bragg in North Carolina, where many Special Forces soldiers are based, is home to the Army's most-deployed soldier. That soldier, whom the Army declined to identify, has been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan nine times.

This soldier obviously has a specialty and is dispatched to Iraq or Afghanistan for short term deployment.

Is this another example of dishonest reporting from the MSM and their willing accomplices?

You tell me.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2006, 02:34:08 PM by BT »

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 02:21:05 PM »
What should they do?
They're busy stanching the wounds that are inflicted by Iraq.   That's all they can do.  Endlessly trying to stop the bleeding, sending more men in, training more, trying to recruit more, raising the age, lowering the entry requirements.

They aren't allowed to say, "We have no more. Stop the war."  They can say, as McCaffrey has, that if we go on at this rate the Army will be broken in so many months.   And then leave it to an intelligent administration to handle.

Unfortunately we don't have an intelligent administration.  We have a bullheaded one, who doesn't care much about how many soldiers it takes to stanch the wounds. 
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Re: Incredible
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 02:35:25 PM »
And we have a reporter who stretches the truth to it's limits to reach preordained conclusions.

Doesn't that bother you one bit?


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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 02:55:58 PM »
Stretches truth?
The reporter stated the facts.   
We have been in Afghanistan since 2002, Iraq since 2003.  Anyone who can do simple arithmetic  knows that the  one soldier wasn't on 9 year-long deployments.   The very fact that he's been on NINE deployments, while some 40% haven't been on ONE seems wrong.    That's not spreading the burden.
I notice whenyou don't like facts you accuse other people of distorting them.  Stretching them, making them up, whatever.   You don't like them?  It makes the administration look bad?
I bet that soldier didn't like going back over there nine times. 
I imagine it's  well-known in military circles and has spread way beyond Ft. Bragg, well before this newspaper wrote the story. 
Abusing our military like this depresses enlistment and makes our country look bad.
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Re: Incredible
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 03:00:07 PM »
We have been in Afghanistan since 2002, Iraq since 2003.  Anyone who can do simple arithmetic  knows that the  one soldier wasn't on 9 year-long deployments.   The very fact that he's been on NINE deployments, while some 40% haven't been on ONE seems wrong.

If those were nine one week deployments, would that salve your conscience any?

The numbers don't obviously jive, and they've been presented by the reporter to in that way to come to his pre-ordained conclusion, rather than just presenting facts. For instance, I didn't see the length of his nine deployments listed. Wonder if that's relevant?
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 03:29:35 PM »
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You don't like them?  It makes the administration look bad?

So you admit that is why you posted this story? To make the current administration look bad.

Seems you got it wrong once again. Your care for the soldiers has proven to be a facade since your real goal is to embarrass the administration.

And apparently that was the same goal of the reporter, since they couldn't be bothered to flesh out simple details like the length of deployment.

Far as i can tell the Bush Administration had nothing to do with you and the reporters deceitful ways. You did that all by your lonesome.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 03:46:36 PM »
I can forgive the journalist any hyperbole implied in his/her reporting the nine deployments. As Lanya has pointed out, the matter is pretty bare for any interested party to see: he had short deployments. Whether as a simple statement of fact, or as a more ambitious "attention-getter," the anecdote DOES NOT distort the main point the journalist is driving at, as a responsible journalist should: the military is near the brink of catastrophe as the present commitments are poised and the future commitments can be predicted within the realm of sound reason. This is responsible, hard-hitting journalism, necessary to our health as a nation. It is only a minor concern whom it embarrasses.

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Re: Incredible
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 04:35:14 PM »
I don't see how one specialists duty assignments indicate a military pushed to its limits. What it indicates is that that one specialist has plenty of work in his or her chosen field. And yes the journalist was remiss in not fleshing out that detail. And so was lanya for choosing to post such an article in an attempt to embarrass the Bush admin when what it really should have done is embarrass her for posting such a weak example of a military "near the brink of catastrophe"

If you expect your charges to have traction, it would be helpful if they had substance to begin with.


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Re: Incredible
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 04:37:27 PM »
Pay attention to see who's view has more value to the country, embarrassment or not.

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Re: Incredible
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 04:42:52 PM »
This guy was sent home eight times?


I bet he is a doctor.

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 07:34:00 PM »
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Pay attention to see who's view has more value to the country, embarrassment or not.

Whose view would that be?



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Re: Incredible
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 10:57:30 PM »
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You don't like them?  It makes the administration look bad?

So you admit that is why you posted this story? To make the current administration look bad.


No.  I posted it because it is an abuse of our military to not spread the burden of serving in a war zone. I don't give a fig if it makes anyone look bad.  It IS bad for the soldiers and their families.   What difference would it make to the soldiers what MY motive was in posting this sad story?   This is my country.  I see something wrong with what's going on and especially as written in this report. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 11:03:22 PM »
You posted the story without showing why this particular soldiers deployment was an abuse.

You should have provided those details for your case to be made.

My guess is you want to see things as wrong and certainly have shown no interest in verifying if they are wrong.

Far as i can see your righteous indignation is misplaced.