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Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« on: March 16, 2008, 11:14:38 PM »
Independent.co.uk
Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
By Margareta Pagano, Business Editor
Sunday, 16 March 2008

Wall Street is bracing itself for another week of roller-coaster trading after more than $300bn (?150bn) was wiped off the US equity markets on Friday following the emergency funding package put together by the Federal Reserve and JPMorgan Chase to rescue Bear Stearns.

One UK economist warned that the world is now close to a 1930s-like Great Depression, while New York traders said they had never experienced such fear. The Fed's emergency funding procedure was first used in the Depression and has rarely been used since.

A Goldman Sachs trader in New York said: "Everyone is in a total state of shock, aghast at what is happening. No one wants to talk, let alone deal; we're just standing by waiting. Everyone is nervous about what is going to emerge when trading starts tomorrow."

In the UK, Michael Taylor, a senior market strategist at Lombard, the economics consultancy, said on Friday night: "We have all been talking about a 1970s-style crisis but as each day goes by this looks more like the 1930s. No one has any clue as to where this is going to end; it's a self-feeding disaster." Mr Taylor, who had been relatively optimistic, has turned bearish: "It really does look as though the UK is now heading for a recession. The credit-crunch means that even if the Bank of England cuts rates again, the banks are in such a bad way they are unlikely to pass cuts on."

Mr Taylor added that he expects a sharp downturn in the real UK economy as the public and companies stop borrowing. "We have never seen anything like this before. This is new territory for us. Liquidity is being pumped into the system but the banks are not taking any notice. This is all about confidence. The more the central banks do, the more the banks seem to ignore what's going on."

Mr Taylor added that the problems unravelling at Bear Stearns are just the beginning: "There will be more banks and hedge funds heading for collapse."

One of the problems facing the markets is that, despite the Fed's move last week to feed them another $200bn, the banks are still not lending to each other.

"This crisis is one of faith. We are going to see even more problems in the hedge funds as they face margin calls," said Mark O'Sullivan, director of dealing at Currencies Direct in London. "What we are waiting for now is for the Fed to cut interest rates again this week. But that's already been discounted by the market and is unlikely to help restore confidence."

Mr O'Sullivan added that the dollar's free-fall is set to continue and may need cuts in European interest rates to trim the euro's recent strength against the dollar. "But the ECB doesn't like cutting rates," he said.

On Europe, Mr Taylor said that while the German economy remains strong, others such as Italy's and Spain's are weakening. "You could see a scenario where the eurozone breaks up if economies continue to be so worried about inflation."

European financial markets were relatively unscathed by Wall Street's crisis but traders expect there to be a backlash when stock markets open tomorrow.

The Fed's plan will give 28 days of secured funding to Bear Stearns, which saw its value slashed over the week by more than a half to $3.7bn. JP Morgan will provide the funding, but the Fed will bear the risk if the loan is not repaid. Fed chairman, Ben Bernanke, who pumped $200bn of loans to cash-strapped institutions last week, said more would be available to help others in distress.

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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 11:40:25 PM »
Religious Dick, thanks that is a very interesting article
quite scary actually, i certainly hope we are not at the doomsday point
over the last year i have slowly moved almost all my money to these two ETF funds
just recently my 401 which had been losing money, was switched to SLV and now it's up $1800
i still think there is some upside with these ETF's because there is alot more bad news that will be slowly bled out



GLD (etf)



http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=gld&sid=0&o_symb=gld&x=21&y=25


SLV (etf)



http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=slv&sid=0&o_symb=slv&freq=1&time=8



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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 02:59:04 AM »
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article3564014.ece

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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 01:05:45 PM »
Actually, Wall Street fears a Democratic president and chooses to spread fear in this way.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 01:25:44 PM »

"Wall Street fears a Democratic president and chooses to spread fear in this way"

So let me get this straight
Make the economy tank and cause a financial crisis near the great depression with a sitting Republican President
And a financial collapse will somehow help Republicans get elected to control the White House?



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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 01:55:40 PM »
Actually, Wall Street fears a Democratic president and chooses to spread fear in this way.

Hmmm.

We were told that the recession which started in early 2000 was because Wall Street feared a Republican president.
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »
We were told that the recession which started in early 2000 was because Wall Street feared a Republican president.
 
You were not told this by me.

Fear of the unknown is one of the basic fears.

Wait and see McCain's campaign once the conventions are over.

Fear of terrorists.
Fear of Iranian fanatics.
Fear of what Democratic health care will do to the economy.
Fear of tax increases (mostly among the very very wealthy, but they won't say that).
Fear the Chinese (even though without them and their products, we'd be even worse off).
Fear of what the 'socialist' democrats will do to the hallowed Capitalist system.
Fear is what got Juniorbush elected the second term.
 
Fear is the only emotion that they have. They are hoping that it will be more powerful than hope.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 03:30:46 PM »
If you invest in gold or silver, watch it like a hawk, every day. Both are very, very volatile, and when they drop, they plummet. 90% of the time, precious metals are a crappy investment. May was an ideal time to get in. I had some money invested in RYBIX, and it has done very well. Strangely, the guy Schwab assigned to me said that he could not recommend it because it had only rated two stars from Morningstar.

The day Mandela was freed, I invested in RSA Gold mining stock. It shot up to four times the price I paid, and then it began to fall. I barely managed to get out when the price was only double what I had paid.

It is a great investment now, but watch it as Elmer Fudd might say. W E R R Y   C A W R E F U L L W Y.
It is a boom or bust sort of thing.

When every company that has an actual need for AU and AG has locked in a future price, then jewelry is the only market for it that is left, and that goes bust in a matter of a day or two.


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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 04:47:47 PM »
"Wait and see McCain's campaign once the conventions are over.
Fear of terrorists.
Fear of Iranian fanatics.
Fear of what Democratic health care will do to the economy.
Fear of tax increases (mostly among the very very wealthy, but they won't say that).
Fear the Chinese (even though without them and their products, we'd be even worse off).
Fear of what the 'socialist' democrats will do to the hallowed Capitalist system.
Fear is what got Juniorbush elected the second term.
Fear is the only emotion that they have. They are hoping that it will be more powerful than hope."




Wait and see OBAMA/HILLARY campaign once the conventions are over.
Fear of Drug Companies
Fear of Insurance Companies
Fear that the Black Churches will burn.
Fear of what Republican health care savings accounts will do to the economy.
Fear of oil companies.
Fear the Republicans love to execute innocent criminals
Fear of school vouchers.
Fear of Global Warming. (which is a big fraud run by frauds)
Fear of what the "capitalist Republicans" will do to the hallowed welfare/nanny state.
Fear is what gets Democrats elected.
Fear is the only emotion that they have. They are hoping that it will be more powerful than hope.


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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 05:38:40 PM »
The tradition is the Republicans run on fear.
Carl Rove did not use hope, he used fear.

The Democrats normally use hope.

After Juniorbush, hoping for a better president would seem to be a normal reaction.

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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 05:41:51 PM »
The tradition is the Republicans run on fear.

The tradition is that BOTH major parties run on fear. Has been ever since the Civil War, at least.
Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. (Benjamin Franklin)

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 05:50:44 PM »
The Republicans used to call the Democrats the party of "rum, Romanism and Rebellion", because they were for prohibition, Protestantism and blaming the Democrats for the Civil War.

Bill Clinton ran on a basis of hope. I don't think he used the tactic of fear much.

In 1988, Olebush ran on a platform of "Vote for me or Willie Horton gonna rape your missus", and "The ACLU is gonna do something unspeakable to your rights".

Reagan had that "It's morning in America" ad, which was based on hope, but then he also spent a lot of time harping on taxes and the evil Communists.

We would be better off if we ignored both such types of ads and voted on the issues. But traditionally, the public is too dumb to be bothered with the issues. They would rather hope and fear.











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Re: Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 06:09:34 PM »
"The tradition is that BOTH major parties run on fear"

AMI I don't know why it should surprise me, but his blindness is pretty amazing.
Everything I put is straight out of the John Edwards handbook but he is blind to it.
I agree with you BOTH political parties dish out a fair amount of fear.
Of course he is so blindly partision it's impossible for him to even see it.
He's not lying, he is just blind.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 08:09:38 PM »
Bill Clinton ran on a basis of hope. I don't think he used the tactic of fear much.

From one of his 1992 campaign mailers: "I don't want my child or your children to grow up in a world that is coming apart"

From another: "Today we have no economic vision, no economic leadership and no economic strategy. Our political system has failed us, too. Our government doesn't work. Hard-working Americans who play by rules have no voice in Washington."

From his announcement speech: "I refuse to stand by and let our children become part of the first generation to do worse than their parents. I don't want my child or your child to be part of a country that's coming apart instead of coming together." And "But make no mistake - the end of the Cold War is not the end of threats to America. The world is still a dangerous and uncertain place."

The Clinton campaign put out leaflets in south Florida before the primary saying that Tsongas voted for a pro-Syria, and implicitly anti-Israel, resolution in the Senate.

Clinton's "Sister Souljah" comments were designed to show urban whites that he could stand up to urban blacks.

There was plenty of fear being batted around.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2008, 09:52:51 PM »
Not all of that is fear, by the way.

Nearly all of Juniorbush's 2004 campaign was fear.

In 2000, here in Florida, Juniorbush had a message repeated on TV every 15 minutes that the Democrats were scaring people about Social Security. Once elected, he scared them a whole lot worse.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."