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Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« on: March 26, 2008, 04:11:52 PM »


Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income 

By Ryan J. Donmoyer and Julianna Goldman
March 25, 2008



March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.

The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.

Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman, said the Obamas gave as much as they could afford. He also said the Obamas gave $240,000 to charity in 2007, though they have yet to make last year's tax returns public.

``As new parents who were paying off their large student loans, giving $10,000 to charity was as generous as they could be at the time,'' Burton said. The tax returns don't reflect any donations for which they didn't or couldn't claim a deduction or any volunteer work they might have performed.

The Obamas' giving pattern is consistent with that of most other Americans, said University of Georgia Professor Russell James, who has studied the issue.

His analysis of more than 56,000 survey respondents from 1995-2005 found that 90 percent of donors give 2 percent or less of their pre-tax income to charities, including their churches. Americans who earn more than $150,000 on average gave about 2.2 percent of their income.

``It's not shocking,'' James said of the Obamas' philanthropy. ``It's about par for the course for Americans.''

Pressuring Clinton

The Obamas' charitable giving history was revealed as he became the first presidential candidate to release his tax returns for the decade and called on his rival for the Democratic nomination, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, to do the same.

``Releasing tax returns is a matter of routine, and we believe that the Clinton campaign should meet that standard and meet that routine standard now,'' said Robert Gibbs, Obama's communication director.

Clinton said today at a press conference in Greensburg, Pennsylvania, that she hopes to release her tax returns ``within the next week.'' Arizona Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, hasn't released his tax returns.

Presidential candidates aren't required to release their tax returns, which by law are confidential. Most have chosen to do so since the early 1970s.

Donations to Church

In 1998, then-Vice President Al Gore was criticized for donating only $353 to charity in 1997 despite earning $197,729. Gore, who was the 2000 Democratic nominee for president, responded by pointing to a history of philanthropy, including more than $50,000 in royalties from his book, ``Earth in the Balance.''

The Obamas made their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the biggest beneficiaries of their philanthropy, donating $27,500. Obama is under scrutiny for his ties to the church because of comments made by its senior pastor.

The tax returns, 103 pages for all seven years released today, show the couple didn't begin claiming an itemized deduction for donations to the church until 2005, when they donated $5,000. They gave $22,500 a year later.

Angila Faison, a spokeswoman for the church, said it encourages its members to give 10 percent of their income to the church based on biblical instructions.

Little in Savings

The family's donations to all recipients totaled $2,350 in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income.

The Obamas' tax returns also show they had little in savings during the same period. They reported no dividends or capital gains over the five years and reported $33 in taxable interest, all of which was received in 2002.

Michelle Obama earned $12,000 in 2005 and $51,200 for serving as a director at Treehouse Foods Inc., a supplier for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. The couple earned $2,072 in 2005 from selling 3,400 shares in Avi Biopharma Inc., a Portland, Oregon- based drug company that was working on a treatment for avian flu.

They claimed a loss of $15,208 on the sale of 2,500 shares of Skyterra Communications Inc., a Reston, Virginia-based satellite communications company. The company's major investors included four friends and donors who raised more than $150,000 for his campaign committees, the New York Times reported a year ago.

Their biggest gift in 2005 and 2006 combined was $31,000 to Atlanta-based CARE, an organization fighting global poverty.

The Obamas also gave $13,107 to the Congressional Black Caucus in 2006 as well as $5,000 to the Muntu Dance Theatre, where Michelle Obama serves on a capital campaign committee with Bob Nash, a deputy campaign manager for Clinton.

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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2008, 06:08:04 PM »
So they gave about as much as one might pay for a new Chevy Malibu. That's about par fo0r a year's donations.

All churchs think they deserve a tenth of their parishioners' money. Back in Biblical times, this was not just for the church, but for the entire government: spears and slingshots, bows and arrows, a new chariot and a couple of horses for King David, as well as Torahs for the temple and Dreidls for the Bible School kids.
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 10:53:11 PM »
XO, didn't millionaire Al Gore get busted a few years ago giving a pathetic amount to charity?
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 11:03:29 PM »
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XO, didn't millionaire Al Gore get busted a few years ago giving a pathetic amount to charity?

What makes it any of your fucking business who gave how much to what charity?  How much did you give?

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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 11:08:31 PM »
Nobody gets "busted" giving any amount to charity. Charity is not a requirement.
I am guessing that McCain and wife didn't tithe, either. But this doesn't matter, because how fatman has so eloquently pointed out, this is no one's f*cking business, not even if they are "Christians for less government".


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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 11:58:21 PM »
What makes it any of your fucking business who gave how much to what charity?

I think the charitable giving of those that claim they are big
advocates of the needy can provide some clues about who they really are.

Whether they want to force others to "give" or actually give something themselves.

In the same way that Al Gore's home not being as environmentally
"green" as President Bush's said something about Mr. Gore.

Ya know, Money talks, BS walks


How much did you give?

I am not running for office, nor do I hold myself up as an "advocate
for the needy", although as a businessman I think I provide more for the
general welfare of society than many bureaucrats or liberals that want
to impose forced giving on others and then feel all warm and fuzzy
that they are the "good guys".

Plus whatever my answer is about my personal giving you
would dispute. If I say 5K, 10K, 100K, 250K, whats Fatman
gonna say? It's pointless. Your cup is full, it can't accept
any more information. Your mind is made up.



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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 12:08:53 AM »
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I think the charitable giving of those that claim they are big
advocates of the needy can provide some clues about who they really are.

That still doesn't make it your fucking business.

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I am not running for office, nor do I hold myself up as an "advocate
for the needy",

So you hold a different standard for those who run for office or advocate for the poor.  How telling.

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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 12:47:02 PM »

That still doesn't make it your fucking business.

If it is widely reported in media outlets, public information,
and I am deciding on who to cast my vote then sorry Fatman
it is my business. Character in a candidate is my business and
I think this area is one clue about who the person is.

So you hold a different standard for those who run for office or
advocate for the poor.  How telling.


It's no so much I hold them to higher standards, reality does.
Someone that campaigns as an advocate for the poor, but yet
is not charitable with their own money will be scrutinized.

Much in the same way that a so called environmentalist
advocate driving around in a Hummer, taking private
jets, and investing in coal plants may be questioned
when someone that is not in public office or a big
advocate of environmentalism would not.

Just like the President Bush home being more "green"
than so called "environmentalist" Al Gore's home. It tells
something about a person.


 
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2008, 01:15:27 PM »
What sort of character are you?

What do you drive?

What did you contribute to, and how much?

Do you separate your paper and your plastics?
Is your detergent 100% bio-degradable? Do you shave with a recyclable cutthroat razor, or are you littering the landscape with used razor blades and shaving cartridges? You should use bar shaving soap, not that foam stuff, which would cause you to pollute by throwing cans away. So tell us the brand name of your straight razor and the brand name of your soapcake shaving soap, because we are judging your character.

According to your criteria, this is important for people to know so they can determine your character, so 'fess up awready.

You call yourself a Christian, so you need to tell us how many prayers you said, and what you prayed for as well, so we can determine what sort of 'Christian' you really are. Plus, show us your rebirth certificate if you were born again, and if you do novenas if you are a Roman Catholic.

Then we also need to know whether you really are expecting too much from your government, since it would be hypocritical of you to use MORE government yourself and want us to do with LESS, even if we would prefer a bigger government.
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2008, 02:47:07 PM »
What sort of character are you? What do you drive? What did you contribute to, and how much?

I am not a candidate for President, nor am I asking for the public's trust.
Apples to oranges.

Do you separate your paper and your plastics?

No I don't believe in that and I do not sell myself as an "environmentalist".

Is your detergent 100% bio-degradable? Do you shave with a recyclable cutthroat razor, or are you littering the landscape with used razor blades and shaving cartridges? You should use bar shaving soap, not that foam stuff, which would cause you to pollute by throwing cans away. So tell us the brand name of your straight razor and the brand name of your soapcake shaving soap, because we are judging your character.

see above
I am not living a lie, like ALGORE preaching about environmentalism while he
lives in a huge energy consuming mansion while President Bush lives in an
environmental friendly house.

According to your criteria, this is important for people to know so they can determine your character, so 'fess up awready.

I am not asking for the public trust, I frankly could care less what you
think you know about my character.

You call yourself a Christian

I never called myself a Christian.
You are ASSuming things again you know nothing about.

so you need to tell us how many prayers you said, and what you prayed for as well, so we can determine what sort of 'Christian' you really are. Plus, show us your rebirth certificate if you were born again, and if you do novenas if you are a Roman Catholic.

Again I am not running for public office, I don't need to tell anybody
anything because I am not asking for the public trust and/or anybody's vote.
you're just pissed because the truth hurts!
President Bush gave more in donations* than Obama and Bush lives in a "green" house
and Gore doesn't unless after he got busted he's recently changed it.
If this was reversed you'd be the first screaming "SEE"!

Then we also need to know whether you really are expecting too much from your government, since it would be hypocritical of you to use MORE government yourself and want us to do with LESS, even if we would prefer a bigger government.

see above or you can continue to pretend an apple is an orange
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 03:56:12 PM »
Okay, so you have no character,and you think you have the right to apply a different standard to others than to yourself. That makes you a bloody hypocrite, but we all knew that all along.

It's NOT apples and and oranges. If you think that everyone has a right to know about Obama, then everyone has a right to know about you.

You DO call yourself a Christian, as in "Christians 4 less government" What is that all about, pray tell?

 Your would be more honest to pick the name  John Cass, then we would know that in reality you are a Jack Cass..



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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 11:49:13 PM »
Okay, so you have no character

I don't?
XO thats an unfair "characterization"!  ;)

and you think you have the right to apply a different standard to others than to yourself.

Not really.
The only different standard is I am not a public official and thus do not
need to make my character public to convince others to vote for me.

Plus it is impractical to do in an internet message board.
For one I could claim I gave 10 million in charity last year.
You'd say "bullshit".
So whats the point?
I am not going to post my tax return on an internet message board.
But if I was running for office and everybody else was doing that.
Then I may decide I would do that to convince people to vote for me.

That makes you a bloody hypocrite

Well firstly I think we are all probably hypocrites to some degree.
All know the way, but few walk it.
But besides that my views on this are not hypocrital.
If a public figure releases info as a part of them wanting to get elected
then I see nothing wrong with weighing that information as a part of choosing who to vote for.

but we all knew that all along

"we" did?
Ok XO
LOL

It's NOT apples and and oranges.

Yes it is

If you think that everyone has a right to know about Obama

It's no so much everyone has "the right" to know,
but if others running for office have open records
and another candidate doesn't it may put him at a competitive disadvantage.

I think Obama is even calling for Hillary to release some of her records
because he has. So if she doesn't, it could hurt her. He is trying to
gain an advantage because she has not released info.

It just like in business, you don't have to offer certain
services, but if all your competition is then it may put
you at a disadvantage to not do the same.

then everyone has a right to know about you.

As I said above, I am not running for public office,
so I don't need to release my records. It's
apples and oranges.

You DO call yourself a Christian

I do? When have I done that?

I call myself many things.

as in "Christians 4 less government"

XO, that is a posting name in an internet message board.

Don't pretend you know a person from their internet posting name.

What is that all about, pray tell?

I think it is best left to ambiguity.

Your would be more honest to pick the name  John Cass

LOL, so you can make a judgement about my honesty from the the name from which I choose to post?

I will consider John Cass, or how about John C. Ass?

then we would know that in reality you are a Jack Cass..

XO now that is kind of funny, but not really your best.
You're ok somtimes.

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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2008, 12:16:59 AM »
Are charitable contributions a prerequisite for public office?


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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2008, 12:37:03 AM »
Are charitable contributions a prerequisite for public office?

Obviously not, look at Gore.
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Re: Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2008, 01:50:14 AM »
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Obviously not, look at Gore.

Then why is this a big deal?