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Re: When?
« Reply #75 on: April 01, 2008, 02:21:41 PM »

>>Are battles fought in a war separate from the whole. That depends on what you mean by "separate". They are a part, not the whole.<<

Prince, I have to say, that is as close as I've ever heard you come to questioning the meaning of the word "is."


Cute, but it doesn't counter anything I said.
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Re: When?
« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2008, 02:23:13 PM »

Well, if you want to disqualify everything anyone in the adminstration has ever said regarding the war in Iraq, then fine, I guess the war on terror is confined to ... where?


Oh get a clue. I'm not saying the war on terror is confined to any place at all. I'm saying just the opposite in fact.
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Re: When?
« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2008, 02:55:47 PM »
"War is just dumb"


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Re: When?
« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2008, 03:09:05 PM »

So, how was I able to figure it out so easily, right from the get go?


I don't know.


I do.  Because I was paying attention to the time line of events, and facts as they took place.  Because it was made clear from day one, that this would be a long and difficult process, the helping to bring stability and democracy to the region, once Saddam and his regime had been taken out.  It wasn't rocket science, Prince


But if you can show me quotes of the President and/or those in his administration saying and clearly delineating that the Iraq war is done and what is happening in Iraq now is not a war, I'll be happy to revise my opinion.

But it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever, with Iraq having become a kinda front line.  I call it the Post-Saddam war myself, but the point of the matter is that it was clear as day. way back when
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Re: When?
« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2008, 03:29:37 PM »

But it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever, with Iraq having become a kinda front line.  I call it the Post-Saddam war myself, but the point of the matter is that it was clear as day. way back when


I don't believe the current situation in Iraq is a war. But even if it is, you're doing what Rich was doing. The current situation in Iraq is not the war on terror. It would be part of the war on terror. If all the insurgents and the like left Iraq and moved to some other country, ending the conflict in Iraq and the continued need for massive presence of troops in Iraq, would the war on terror be over? Would that be the end? The answer is no, correct? So why do we need to say the conflict in Iraq is the war on terror. We keep calling it the war in Iraq, when the actual war with Iraq has been over for some time. We just keep mashing it all together apparently only so that when people say "so-and-so said the war in Iraq would be short" someone else can say "no, they said the war on terror would last a long time, you moron." Here's an idea, instead of that response, how about we try saying "the Iraq war did end quickly, and what is happening now is another part of the war on terror." Would that be so wrong?
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Re: When?
« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2008, 03:38:02 PM »




Except war did not end slavery or fascism or communism. Slavery was ended by political means, though it still exists in some form today, communism is still around, and I'm pretty sure if you ask socialists and/or war on terror supporters they will tell you fascism is around as well. Well, you got one out of four.
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Re: When?
« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2008, 04:44:28 PM »
>> but it doesn't counter anything I said.<<

If you're saying something other than "Iraq is not part of the war on terror," please try and be a bit clearer. If you can't, then I suggest it's you who's being "cute." But I know you, you'll go on and on and on and on and on ... And frankly, you're making no sense at all. You?re making a statement which clearly goes against what everyone involved says. Sorry, but I?ll take their opinion over yours. No offense.

One person who is clear, is President Bush. The Commander in Chief says it's part of the war on terror, therefore, it is.

You're dissembling not withstanding.

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Re: When?
« Reply #82 on: April 01, 2008, 04:51:05 PM »
But it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever, with Iraq having become a kinda front line.  I call it the Post-Saddam war myself, but the point of the matter is that it was clear as day, way back when

I don't believe the current situation in Iraq is a war.

Then obviously, we disagree


But even if it is, you're doing what Rich was doing. The current situation in Iraq is not the war on terror.

I never said it was, so apparently I'm not "doing what Rich is doing", if that's what he's doing.  I said, if anything, it's a front line, but not to be confused with the mission of taking Saddam & his regime out, which you at least are rational enough to be able and differentiate



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Re: When?
« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2008, 05:16:39 PM »

If you're saying something other than "Iraq is not part of the war on terror," please try and be a bit clearer.


I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. "The Iraq war may have been part of the war on terror, but let's not confuse the two." "My car's transmission is part of my car, but I am not going to call the transmission my car or call my car a transmission. That would be unnecessarily confusing when I tried to communicate with other people about my vehicle and/or my car's transmission. The transmission is the transmission and my car is my car. The Iraq war is the Iraq war and the war on terror is the war on terror. The Iraq war is over. The war on terror is not over." So how much clearer to you need it to be?


If you can't, then I suggest it's you who's being "cute." But I know you, you'll go on and on and on and on and on ... And frankly, you're making no sense at all. You?re making a statement which clearly goes against what everyone involved says. Sorry, but I?ll take their opinion over yours. No offense.

One person who is clear, is President Bush. The Commander in Chief says it's part of the war on terror, therefore, it is.


Oh for the love of pizza. Don't be dense. At no point have I said that the Iraq war or the current situation in Iraq are not a part of the war on terror, and I've argued the opposite for several posts now. Pay attention.


You're dissembling not withstanding.


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Re: When?
« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2008, 05:19:49 PM »

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But even if it is, you're doing what Rich was doing. The current situation in Iraq is not the war on terror.

I never said it was,


Didn't you?


But it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever, with Iraq having become a kinda front line.  I call it the Post-Saddam war myself, but the point of the matter is that it was clear as day, way back when

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Re: When?
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2008, 05:21:21 PM »
Once again, you're making absolutely no sense.

Battles in a war = That war.

Iraq is a front in the war on terror. Pakistan is a front in the war on terror. Afghanistan is a front in the war on terror. Put them all together and what do you have?

The war on terror.

And, if I've sounded insulting, I haven't meant to be. You on the other hand ...

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Re: When?
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2008, 05:35:51 PM »

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But even if it is, you're doing what Rich was doing. The current situation in Iraq is not the war on terror.

I never said it was,


Didn't you?

But it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever, with Iraq having become a kinda front line.  I call it the Post-Saddam war myself, but the point of the matter is that it was clear as day, way back when

So, as you can planely see, no, I didn't.  "A" war on terror/Islamofascism does not equate to "the" war on terrorism.  Then again, you knew that, or should.  Call it a front line, like I inferred.  But I appreciate you pulling my quote up again for reinforcement
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Re: When?
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2008, 05:43:19 PM »

"A" war on terror/Islamofascism does not equate to "the" war on terrorism.


I'm not sure how "it is still a war, the war on terror, the war on Islamofascism/militant Islam, whatever" is not you equating "a war" with "the war on terror", but if you say so, okay. Looked to me like you were making them all out to be the same, but if you say it was a misunderstanding, I'll take your word for it.
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Re: When?
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2008, 05:57:56 PM »
ya ever notice they always pretend they want to fight the enemy elsewhere
they pretend they support the war on terror, but always elsewhere
first they say we shouldn't have gone to iraq because saddam wasn't tied Al Killya
now that we are there and so is Al KillYa they still don't want us there
they don't really want to fight Al Killya
they wanna surrender



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Re: When?
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2008, 06:01:38 PM »
What part of the War on Terrorism do they support?

This year's Democratic plan for the future is another inane sound bite designed to trick American voters into trusting them with national security.

To wit, they're claiming there is no connection between the war on terror and the war in Iraq, and while they're all for the war against terror ? absolutely in favor of that war ? they are adamantly opposed to the Iraq war. You know, the war where the U.S. military is killing thousands upon thousands of terrorists (described in the media as "Iraqi civilians," even if they are from Jordan, like the now-dead leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi). That war.

As Howard Dean put it this week, "The occupation in Iraq is costing American lives and hampering our ability to fight the real global war on terror."

This would be like complaining that Roosevelt's war in Germany was hampering our ability to fight the real global war on fascism. Or anti-discrimination laws were hampering our ability to fight the real war on racism. Or dusting is hampering our ability to fight the real war on dust.

Maybe Dean is referring to a different globe, like Mars or Saturn, or one of those new planets they haven't named yet.

Assuming against all logic and reason that the Democrats have some serious objection to the war in Iraq, perhaps they could tell us which part of the war on terrorism they do support. That would be easier than rattling off the long list of counterterrorism measures they vehemently oppose.

They oppose the National Security Agency listening to people who are calling specific phone numbers found on al-Qaida cell phones and computers. Spying on al-Qaida terrorists is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror!

Enraged that the Bush administration deferred to the safety of the American people rather than the obstructionist Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, one Clinton-appointed judge, James Robertson, resigned from the FISA court in protest over the NSA spying program.

Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold called for a formal Senate censure of President Bush when he found out the president was rude enough to be listening in on al-Qaida phone calls. (Wait until Feingold finds out the White House has been visiting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "MySpace" page!)

Last week a federal judge appointed by Jimmy Carter ruled the NSA program to surveil phone calls to al-Qaida members in other counties unconstitutional.

Democrats oppose the detainment of Taliban and al-Qaida soldiers at our military base in Guantanamo, Cuba. Democrats such as Rep. Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, have called for Guantanamo to be shut down.

The Guantanamo detainees are not innocent insurance salesmen imprisoned in some horrible mix-up like something out of a Perry Mason movie. The detainees were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. You remember ? the war liberals pretended to support right up until approximately one nanosecond after John Kerry conceded the 2004 election to President Bush.

But apparently, imprisoning al-Qaida warriors we catch on the battlefield is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror.

Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin has compared Guantanamo to Nazi concentration camps and Soviet gulags, based on a report that some detainees were held in temperatures so cold that they shivered and others were forced to listen to loud rap music ? more or less approximating the conditions in the green room at "The Tyra Banks Show." Also, one of the detainees was given a badminton racket that was warped.

New York Times columnist Bob Herbert complained this week that detainees in Guantanamo have "no hope of being allowed to prove their innocence." (I guess that's excluding the hundreds who have been given administrative hearings or released already.)

Of course all the usual "human rights" groups are carping about how brutally our servicemen in Guantanamo are treating the little darlings who are throwing feces at them.

Democrats oppose the Patriot Act, the most important piece of legislation passed since 9/11, designed to make the United States less of a theme park for would-be terrorists.

The vast majority of Senate Democrats (43-2) voted against renewing the Patriot Act last December, whereupon their minority leader, Sen. Harry Reid, boasted: "We killed the Patriot Act" ? a rather unusual sentiment for a party so testy about killing terrorists.

In 2004, Sen. John Kerry ? the man they wanted to be president ? called the Patriot Act "an assault on our basic rights." At least all "basic rights" other than the one about not dying a horrible death at the hand of Islamic fascists. Yes, it was as if Congress had deliberately flown two commercial airliners into the twin towers of our Constitution.

They oppose profiling Muslims at airports.

They oppose every bust of a terrorist cell, sneering that the cells in Lackawanna, New York City, Miami, Chicago and London weren't a real threat like, say, a nondenominational prayer before a high school football game. Now that's a threat.

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