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Re: When?
« Reply #135 on: April 03, 2008, 05:52:17 PM »
Cheney's money is not XO's
SIRS money is not XO's
BT's money is not XO's
and my money is not XO's
because we own it.

If people are not allowed
to reap the benefits of
their own work then what
incentive is there to work harder?
"For the good of all?"
Yeah sure, we see how well thats done.
China is making huge strides because the genie is out of the bottle!

I read some of your give and take with UP about the socialist utopia
you believe in. I thought he would fare better than he did, but still
I think you are wrong. But honestly I do not have the time to spar
right now, especially in such a long drawn out manner as you and he did.


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Re: When?
« Reply #136 on: April 03, 2008, 06:03:53 PM »
Did it mention the 18%? Didn't read it yet, no...still posting here....

Perhaps you should explain where your 18% number comes from. You just threw it out there with no backing info.
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Re: When?
« Reply #137 on: April 03, 2008, 06:13:43 PM »
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Yeah right.

Laws can be changed. They often are.

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Re: When?
« Reply #138 on: April 03, 2008, 07:04:45 PM »
>>Yeah right. This would be the same nation of laws that beat the shit out of peaceful African-American marchers in Selma. This would be the same nation of laws that had countless people murdered in Latin America throughout the 70's and 80's. Nice response.<<

America ... boy does it suck.

Here's the simple reason why Vice President Cheney's money is his; He earned it. And yes, I do know that in the world of the America/Bush hating left, Vice President Cheney is somehow still receiving a salary, stock options, and God knows what else from Haliburton. But those of us in the real world know he divested his stock prior to being elected, and stopped receiving any type of money from Haliburton 2 years after he left the company and the majority of the $2 million he received ($1.6 million) he received prior to taking office.

It is sad however, and educational, to see socialists/liberals/communists still living in the past and seathing with hatred for America. Most of which is based on falsehoods and distortions. I think we're seeing the same ugly hatred from Michelle Obama and Barack Obama's pastor (and probably Barack himself) the Black Hitler Wright. They have been raised to hate America. They get it from their parents, their churches, and their leaders.

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Re: When?
« Reply #139 on: April 03, 2008, 07:05:15 PM »
Well, Ami, I didn't just throw it out there from my head. It was information via other teachers and emails and the anchors chitchat after the story was broadcast, in fact . . But, I will find those specifics if you want them. The numbers were close to accurate, if not correct, btw. The reasons are basically to do with number of kids who leave, come into system etc.

No problem. Show us the numbers.

You'll find that many around here don't take information seriously if it's just thrown out there with no backup. It's called supporting your arguments.
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Re: When?
« Reply #140 on: April 03, 2008, 07:06:48 PM »
BT it's funny JS proudly rattles off some of the past disgraces by the US gvt and US laws of that gvt but yet he wants to turn over more control to a gvt in the form of socialism utopia. How does that jive JS?
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Re: When?
« Reply #141 on: April 03, 2008, 07:34:38 PM »
Cynthia where are you vacationing?
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Re: When?
« Reply #142 on: April 03, 2008, 07:35:39 PM »
>>Yeah right. This would be the same nation of laws that beat the shit out of peaceful African-American marchers in Selma. This would be the same nation of laws that had countless people murdered in Latin America throughout the 70's and 80's. Nice response.<<

America ... boy does it suck.

Here's the simple reason why Vice President Cheney's money is his; He earned it. And yes, I do know that in the world of the America/Bush hating left, Vice President Cheney is somehow still receiving a salary, stock options, and God knows what else from Haliburton. But those of us in the real world know he divested his stock prior to being elected, and stopped receiving any type of money from Haliburton 2 years after he left the company and the majority of the $2 million he received ($1.6 million) he received prior to taking office.

It is sad however, and educational, to see socialists/liberals/communists still living in the past and seathing with hatred for America. Most of which is based on falsehoods and distortions. I think we're seeing the same ugly hatred from Michelle Obama and Barack Obama's pastor (and probably Barack himself) the Black Hitler Wright. They have been raised to hate America. They get it from their parents, their churches, and their leaders.

The "Black Hitler Wright?"

Wow.

I know about Cheney's divestments, thank you. The Cheney's made $8.8 million in 2006, not $1.6 million. You're looking at only taxable income, you need to look at line 22 of a 1040 for total income. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're talking about, Cheney received far more than $2 million for his interests in Halliburton. And you are wrong, Cheney has a deferred compensation account with Halliburton arranged in 1998 of which he is still legally entitled to own.

I don't "hate" America either. Perhaps you can explain how pointing out past problem is "hatred." Or was Selma some sort of "leftist lie?"
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Re: When?
« Reply #143 on: April 03, 2008, 07:37:20 PM »
BT it's funny JS proudly rattles off some of the past disgraces by the US gvt and US laws of that gvt but yet he wants to turn over more control to a gvt in the form of socialism utopia. How does that jive JS?

How do you know that I "proudly rattle off past disgraces?" Why do you assume that I "proudly" do so? Perhaps your assumptions are incorrect.

Where do you get the idea that I want to turn over more power to a government? Again, you assume much.
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Re: When?
« Reply #144 on: April 03, 2008, 08:15:33 PM »
How do you know that I "proudly rattle off past disgraces?"
Why do you assume that I "proudly" do so?
Perhaps your assumptions are incorrect.


Yes JS on the internet it is sometimes easy to misinterpret, however it
does appear to me often that those on the Left race to point out the worst about America.
Ya know "the glass is half empty".


Where do you get the idea that I want to turn over more power to a government?
Again, you assume much


JS doesn't socialism advocate the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production
and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the hands of governemnt? Wouldn't that be turning
over power to the governemnt that the government does not currently have?
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Re: When?
« Reply #145 on: April 03, 2008, 08:18:00 PM »
"Well, in my estate here....ha"

Umm ok, not sure what that means
but Cynthia I hope you enjoy your vacation.
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Re: When?
« Reply #146 on: April 03, 2008, 08:19:37 PM »
Oh and JS
can you explain
why
BT's, SIRS, Rich's, mine, and Vice President Cheney's money is XO's?
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Re: When?
« Reply #147 on: April 03, 2008, 08:27:07 PM »
I didn't throw out just any numbers without backup.

BT provided the source for the 60% claim.

Have you done likewise for the 18% claim?
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« Reply #148 on: April 03, 2008, 08:34:56 PM »
Yes JS on the internet it is sometimes easy to misinterpret, however it
does appear to me often that those on the Left race to point out the worst about America.
Ya know "the glass is half empty".

I have two countries I call home. It made for an interesting childhood. They are: Germany and the United States. This has given me a vantage point that is not so emotionally invested in nationalism. There are things I love about both countries, but a joke about America or Germany does not send me off a cliff in anger, either.

Germany has a history that is not whitewashed. There is no paint that can cover the historical sins of the Nazis. The atrocities of the Holocaust, especially to the Jews, the Roma, and the Slavs, are imprinted on history forever (or at least for a long, long time). This history should be there. It should be a stain on German history. It is something Germans have to come to terms with.

To me, Americans a bit like children when it comes to their history and their sense of nationalism. They are insulted very easily even at words meant in jest. As for history, much of our history is whitewashed to make the United States look very good. The Revolutionary War or the Civil War are two excellent examples. Even at a High School level, these tend to be taught with a clear bias towards the idea of a "glorious America."  It is a very sophomoric cowboys and Indians approach to national history. We were the good guys and these were the bad guys. God Bless America!

I think that one day Americans will come to terms with their history and nationalism. We're just a young country, like a teenager with too many hormones going on at once and who thinks he knows everything.

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JS doesn't socialism advocate the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production
and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the hands of governemnt? Wouldn't that be turning
over power to the governemnt that the government does not currently have?

No. That isn't what socialism advocates at all.

Socialism advocates at the most basic level, turning over the means of production to the proletariat and creating a classless society. Not all socialists believe that land should be communal. There would be far less government to the point of eventually having none at all.
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Re: When?
« Reply #149 on: April 03, 2008, 08:36:08 PM »
Oh and JS
can you explain
why
BT's, SIRS, Rich's, mine, and Vice President Cheney's money is XO's?

No.

I asked the question, which was never answered except by Bt, who in fairness I snapped at somewhat. Apologies Bt.
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   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.