What da heck is a "Mormon" anyway?

[Amianthus]

Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep
Parody of "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" by AC/DC

If you're having trouble with your barnyard friends,
You got a thing for ewes,
Been counting sheep, but you're not in bed,
Here's what you gotta do.
Get out the barn, stay off the farm,
Go read a nursery rhyme.
Don't ring 976-BAAA,
That kind of love's a crime.

Dirty deeds, done with sheep,
Dirty deeds, Little Bo Peep,
Dirty deeds, done with sheep,
Dirty deeds and they're done with sheep,
Dirty deeds and they're done with sheep.

My friend Larry has a little lamb,
Her fleece is white as snow,
He keeps bragging about her night and day,
Someone should tell him no.
Look at the flock, they're all in shock,
Here comes that mutton fan,
Knock off the fleece, give them some peace,
Don't be a barnyard man.

Dirty deeds, done with sheep,
Dirty deeds, Little Bo Peep,
Dirty deeds, done with sheep,
Dirty deeds and they're done with sheep,
Dirty deeds and they're done with sheep.

Velcro gloves, kneepads, late-night dates.
Done with sheep.
Warning signs, electric fences, high voltage.
Done with sheep.

Dirty deeds, don't tell 'em what I done to ewe,
Done with sheep.
Dirty deeds, dirty deeds, done with sheep.

SPOKEN: Quiet gals. I think the shepherd's coming.

[Plane]

Brigham Young?s endorsement of polygamy?spoofed in Twain?s
Roughing It by an engraving of Young?s wives sharing a huge bedstead and
a joking reference to the ??deafening noise?? of 72 women snoring?
receives scrutiny in Eric A. Eliason?s ??Mark Twain, Polygamy, and the
Origin of an American Motif ?? (MTJ 38, i [2000]: 2?6). Apparently
Roughing It ??contains the Ž rst known graphic and written representation
of this visual stereotype of the Mormon Bed.?? Accordingly, ??the motif ?s
entry into the American popular culture is a tribute to his comic genius
worth noting.??

http://als.dukejournals.org/cgi/reprint/2001/1/97.pdf

[Plane]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24245576/?GT1=43001

Flds fashion sense

[Cynthia]

Men are so transparent.

How do you think the women felt having the ugly men ON TOP OF THEM?

My god.

Those women are not as ugly as the ugliness within the mindset of the men who raped them.

I respond to the essence of those mothers ....as loving god fearing MOTHERS..period.

What do men want in a woman?

Beauty is only skin deep, fellas.

Goats, sheep, moose, geese.
My goodness..................such a transparent view of the beast within.

Men are such toys. Men are beholden to the essence of this world....female.

[Universe Prince]

Men are such toys. Men are beholden to the essence of this world....female.

Oh good gravy. Don't go there, please.

[Stray Pooch]

Those women are not as ugly as the ugliness within the mindset of the men who raped them.

Actually, how they dress has little to do with how attractive women are.  The right clothes can certainly enhance a person's appearance but in over three decades I have yet to see my wife in something that makes her look bad. 

I do worry, however, about whether this is a witch hunt.  There is a story circulating on the net that says the call for help was a hoax.  If this is about child abuse or forced marriage, that's one thing.  But if the big crime here is nothing more than polygamy, the government is wrong to go this far.

[Universe Prince]

But if the big crime here is nothing more than polygamy, the government is wrong to go this far.

I agree, but I would point out, whether one does agree will probably depend on one's view of polygamy. Many people consider it simply unacceptable and a form of spousal and/or child abuse unto itself. My guess is that the people in charge of prosecuting this case will take that stance. And we'll probably get a round of women on news channels and news websites talking about they had to escape polygamy. My gut feeling is that no point is the general public likely to get much, if any, exposure to anything that looks at polygamy in a positive light or even just to some degree sympathetically.

[Stray Pooch]

I agree, but I would point out, whether one does agree will probably depend on one's view of polygamy. Many people consider it simply unacceptable and a form of spousal and/or child abuse unto itself.

The problem is that such a view is too black and white.  If two women decide to marry one man and raise a family together, that in itself is just another lifestyle.   Provided the home is otherwise stable and the children are afforded the appropriate educational, medical and other needs, calling it abuse is purely subjective.  If one of those women is forced into the marriage, or is 14 years old, it's a whole different story. That's clearly illegal.  But otherwise, the same arguments could be (and have been) used against gay marriage, interracial marriage, etc.

Now I am not arguing that law enforcement ought not to enforce the law.  Polygamy is illegal and the US Supreme Court long ago upheld that.  I'm just not sure that the draconian approach to this sect - tearing aparts hundreds of people in numerous families - is the way to go about this.  But then again, how do you determine who to prosecute here?  Do we center on the men?  After all, technically the women are each only married to one man.  OTOH this is not the bigamist with a wife in two different cities, each blissfully unaware of the other.  The moms were in on the crime as well.  So do we send the whole bunch to jail and farm out the kids?  Then again, though the moms may even have allowed and aided the sexual activities with the children, what if the moms themselves are only children?  I suspect the legal ramifications of this case are a knotty nightmare.

More than anything, though, I smell a rat.  The sensationalist portrayal of this group seems almost unbelievable.  To paraphrase a well-know caveat: "If something seems too bad to be true, it probably isn't."

[Amianthus]

If one of those women is ... 14 years old, it's a whole different story. That's clearly illegal.

There are states where that is still legal.

[Cynthia]

Men are such toys. Men are beholden to the essence of this world....female.

Oh good gravy. Don't go there, please.

[Plane]

If polagamy were made leagal , would prosicution for bigamy still be possible?

Would disclosure of spoces already existing be a requirement , perhaps a line on the application form ?

Could it still be forbidden to marry the same sex?

Marrage groups might be formed , in which several men are married to several men and women who are also married themselves to several others,...

... ever read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"? When a caricter in this futuristic novel suggests prohibiting "fornication" the rules comittee has to look the term up in an old dictionary.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I mentioned the men marrying ugly women with regard to this topic, because it seems that in the FLDS, it is the men who decide whom and how many women to marry. The women interviewed all seemed to think that aranged marriages between teenyboppers and aged and wizened whiskerandos was the most normal thing in the world.

If polygamy were legal, then bigamy would only be illegal perhaps if someone concealed his marriage to wifey 1 from Wifey 2 or vice versa. I think that a woman or man should enjoy disclosure as to the maritial status of anyone that they marry.

I don't know whether this would be the case or not, because it would depend on the law allowing polygamy.

Apparently, in the US we are all actually free to be polygamous, so long as we live in isolation and keep it secret. After the Short Creek raids, nearly everyone eventually returned to their former families and customs.

 

[Plane]

I mentioned the men marrying ugly women with regard to this topic, because it seems that in the FLDS, it is the men who decide whom and how many women to marry. 

There haven't been any spinsters mentioned in reports from this case. Is there a duty for these men to provide a husband for each woman ?

[Amianthus]

Apparently, in the US we are all actually free to be polygamous, so long as we live in isolation and keep it secret. 

Actually, secrecy is not required. I know plenty of polygamous arrangements. As long as there is no more than one "legal" wedding per person, there is nothing wrong with it.

[Plane]

Apparently, in the US we are all actually free to be polygamous, so long as we live in isolation and keep it secret. 

Actually, secrecy is not required. I know plenty of polygamous arrangements. As long as there is no more than one "legal" wedding per person, there is nothing wrong with it.

Is full disclosure required?