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Welsh suicide
« on: April 27, 2008, 05:23:18 AM »
43 per 100,000, among males 15 to 24, over the last decade. That's more than double the Welsh national rate of 19 per 100,000 for that group ? even though Wales' rate is already twice that of the U.K. as a whole.

No one seems confident enough in any specific theory to make grand pronouncements or explanations. Maybe there never will be a way to comprehend this fully. One teen in the area who had tried to kill herself, after the death of one of her friends, told her parents she didn't really know why she, too, attempted it.

Counselors in school are working on prevention. They?re warning teenagers about what they call the "dangers" of the social networking sites ? and warning parents to monitor them closely.

Still, the little county of Bridgend, dotted by ancient castles, is at a loss. The suicides keep happening. Nineteen of its young people, gone ? in just over a year.
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/944917.aspx

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 12:31:26 PM »
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43 per 100,000

Isn't that higher than the rate for US vets?


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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 01:14:09 PM »
From the previous thread:

Last November when CBS News exposed an epidemic of more than 6,200 suicides in 2005 among those who had served in the military, Katz attacked our report.

"Their number is not, in fact, an accurate reflection of the rate," he said last November.

But it turns out they were, as Katz admitted in this e-mail, just three days later.

He wrote: there "are about 18 suicides per day among America's 25 million veterans."

That works out to about 6,570 per year, which Katz admits in the same e-mail, "is supported by the CBS numbers."

18 per day times 365 days per year equals 6,570.

Divide that by 250 and you get 26.

Not sure how many of those would be under 24.

Still, 43/100K is more than twice the rate of the rest of Wales, 19/100K, which is already twice that of the UK as a whole, which would then be less than 10/100K. Not sure why the numbers in Bridgend are higher, but a national average of about 10/100K is considerably less than 26/100K.
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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 01:59:40 PM »
43 per 100k is a higher rate than 26 per 100k.

what i thought.

Apparently life in Bridgend Wales is more traumatic than serving in the armed services.


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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 12:59:12 AM »
Perhaps we don't understand the phenomenon well enough as well as we need to.

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 03:10:11 PM »
I think we`re using the wrong reference on this issue
this is about welsh youth suicides .
when dealing with teen suicides ,people keep forgetting that young people don`t have the same mental safe guards as adults.

I did reasearch about suicides in general and the majority of it id devoted to teen suicides .
I almost felt that adult are being ignored in this matter.

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 03:29:36 PM »
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I think we`re using the wrong reference on this issue
this is about welsh youth suicides .
when dealing with teen suicides ,people keep forgetting that young people don`t have the same mental safe guards as adults.

I did reasearch about suicides in general and the majority of it id devoted to teen suicides .
I almost felt that adult are being ignored in this matter.

Youth

Adult

What's it matter?

Apparently it is always someone else who didn't do enough to stop it.




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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 11:27:48 PM »
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Apparently it is always someone else who didn't do enough to stop it.


Or tried to cover up the fact they were happening.
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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 01:42:14 AM »
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Or tried to cover up the fact they were happening.

If a true cover up was attempted the emails would have never surfaced.


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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 11:02:40 PM »
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If a true cover up was attempted the emails would have never surfaced.


Hmmmm...

So all those criminals who left fingerprints or DNA at the crime scene weren't trying to remain unidentified?

I think it would depend on how smart the person trying to carry out the cover up was. This guy doesn't strike me as a particularly bright bulb.
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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 11:07:06 PM »
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If a true cover up was attempted the emails would have never surfaced.


Hmmmm...

So all those criminals who left fingerprints or DNA at the crime scene weren't trying to remain unidentified?

I think it would depend on how smart the person trying to carry out the cover up was. This guy doesn't strike me as a particularly bright bulb.

I don't understand what he did that can be interpreted as a cover up.

Did he destroy evidence or something? I missed it.

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 11:59:56 AM »
In general the suicide rate in Scotland is always higher than in the other countries of the United Kingdom.

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During 2002/04 the suicide rate among Scottish men was 30 per 100,000 compared with 22.4 in Wales, 18.3 in Northern Ireland and 16.7 in England.

I believe that the rate has fallen for all over the past few years, I'm not sure by how much.

I don't think that it is very wise to compare the stats across to the US Army. Whether one thinks Army suicides are immaterial, which seems to be the case here, the Army does not. Unit Commanders are instructed to leave possible suicide risks at home and not risk deployment with anyone who they believe might show possible suicide factors. 

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2008, 07:28:00 PM »
times has changed
at one time if anybody was showed signs of being shell shocked they would be shot as a coward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_stress_reaction

I still know veterans who think like that and still look down on suicides as chicken sh*t

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2008, 12:43:41 AM »
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I don't think that it is very wise to compare the stats across to the US Army. Whether one thinks Army suicides are immaterial, which seems to be the case here, the Army does not. Unit Commanders are instructed to leave possible suicide risks at home and not risk deployment with anyone who they believe might show possible suicide factors.

Apparently the army does a better job of screening at risk soldiers than the Welsh government.

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2008, 02:07:25 AM »