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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2008, 06:51:54 AM »
Generally Jim Crow laws made it hard to vote or participate in government for the subjects of the opression , I think we are just disagreeing on the reason why anyone wanted them.

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Jim Crow laws did not make it hard for Black people to vote, it made it impossible.
The motivation was money for the wealthy, since they owned the land and needed sharecroppers who would tend the crops. The elite Whites played the Blacks off the Whites. If the Whites would not work for l
ess, they would hire Blacks. If they really needed cheap labor, homeless and unemployed were arrested for vagrancy and put on the chain gangsa, where they could be hired out by the state for  almost any purpose.

 The much larger majority of Whites were poor, and they liked the idea that no matter how little they had, they were still better off than the Blacks because they were very rarely lynched and they had someone to look down on.
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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2008, 06:34:54 PM »
Generally Jim Crow laws made it hard to vote or participate in government for the subjects of the opression , I think we are just disagreeing on the reason why anyone wanted them.

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Jim Crow laws did not make it hard for Black people to vote, it made it impossible.
The motivation was money for the wealthy, since they owned the land and needed sharecroppers who would tend the crops. The elite Whites played the Blacks off the Whites. If the Whites would not work for l
ess, they would hire Blacks. If they really needed cheap labor, homeless and unemployed were arrested for vagrancy and put on the chain gangsa, where they could be hired out by the state for  almost any purpose.

 The much larger majority of Whites were poor, and they liked the idea that no matter how little they had, they were still better off than the Blacks because they were very rarely lynched and they had someone to look down on.


There has never been a shortage of tenants untill very recently , recently we have been replaceing the absent tenants farmers with machenery and Mexicans . There was never a need to enforce sharecropping .

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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2008, 08:46:41 PM »
There has never been a shortage of tenants untill very recently , recently we have been replaceing the absent tenants farmers with machenery and Mexicans . There was never a need to enforce sharecropping .

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Jim Crow laws were to keep the Blacks working for the landowners on the cheap, without asking for a bigger share of the income.

The purpose of having an excess of uneducated laborers is to keep wages down and profits up.

Sharecropping of this sort ended when they started to use machinery to pick cotton and other crops. When that happened, the tenants were thrown off the land and went to the cities and towns and if they were smart, up North.

Jim Crow laws are no longer in effect because they were no longer needed after they started using machinery for the harvest.
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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2008, 10:19:38 PM »
There has never been a shortage of tenants untill very recently , recently we have been replaceing the absent tenants farmers with machenery and Mexicans . There was never a need to enforce sharecropping .

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Jim Crow laws were to keep the Blacks working for the landowners on the cheap, without asking for a bigger share of the income.

The purpose of having an excess of uneducated laborers is to keep wages down and profits up.

Sharecropping of this sort ended when they started to use machinery to pick cotton and other crops. When that happened, the tenants were thrown off the land and went to the cities and towns and if they were smart, up North.

Jim Crow laws are no longer in effect because they were no longer needed after they started using machinery for the harvest.

There is still no machine to harvest the Videllia Onion , soon you will miss the Videllia and the Texas sweet because the harvesters needed are starting to become hard to get.

Mechanical harvest of Cotton came after the exodus of Black people to the urban north , the opening of War jobs in the big citys during WWII was the proximate cause.

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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2008, 11:47:24 PM »
"KIng was not assassinated by a single disgruntled nut. I think that much is pretty obvious."


Well, One Killer jailed, +40 years later beg to differ, XO. The nut was Ray. James Ray.

Where are  your pretty obvious facts that prove he did not kill King?

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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2008, 07:28:58 AM »
KIng was not assassinated by a single disgruntled nut. I think that much is pretty obvious."


Well, One Killer jailed, +40 years later beg to differ, XO. The nut was Ray. James Ray.

Where are  your pretty obvious facts that prove he did not kill King?

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I did not say Ray did not kill King. Unless the FBI faked a whole lot of evidence, it it obvious that he did kill him. His prints were on the rifle that he left behind.

But it was a conspiracy, Ray was hired to kill King, paid money to do the job. Ray was a less successful than average thief who was better than average at escaping from jail.


Ray was not very clever, but he was not a lone nut. He was a hired nut. He was provided with money and expertise far beyond his own limited abilities. Ray was not bright enough to be an obsessive methodical assassin. He was the instrument of others who were. There was an abundance of these in the South in the 1960's.

As for the King family not wanting to believe that Ray was the shooter, well, they are not forensic experts. Faith-based criminology is not a reputable field. We can all be grateful for this.
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Re: The Unfinished Business of Martin Luther King Jr.
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2008, 03:43:15 PM »
KIng was not assassinated by a single disgruntled nut. I think that much is pretty obvious."


Well, One Killer jailed, +40 years later beg to differ, XO. The nut was Ray. James Ray.

Where are  your pretty obvious facts that prove he did not kill King?

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I did not say Ray did not kill King. Unless the FBI faked a whole lot of evidence, it it obvious that he did kill him. His prints were on the rifle that he left behind.

But it was a conspiracy, Ray was hired to kill King, paid money to do the job. Ray was a less successful than average thief who was better than average at escaping from jail.


Ray was not very clever, but he was not a lone nut. He was a hired nut. He was provided with money and expertise far beyond his own limited abilities. Ray was not bright enough to be an obsessive methodical assassin. He was the instrument of others who were. There was an abundance of these in the South in the 1960's.

As for the King family not wanting to believe that Ray was the shooter, well, they are not forensic experts. Faith-based criminology is not a reputable field. We can all be grateful for this.

Oh ok.