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Maybe I Should Move to California
« on: May 15, 2008, 11:19:50 PM »
California's top court legalizes gay marriage By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 25 minutes ago
 


SAN FRANCISCO - California's Supreme Court declared gay couples in the nation's biggest state can marry ? a monumental but perhaps short-lived victory for the gay rights movement Thursday that was greeted with tears, hugs, kisses and at least one instant proposal of matrimony.
 
Same-sex couples could tie the knot in as little as a month. But the window could close soon after ? religious and social conservatives are pressing to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot in November that would undo the Supreme Court ruling and ban gay marriage.

"Essentially, this boils down to love. We love each other. We now have equal rights under the law," declared a jubilant Robin Tyler, a plaintiff in the case along with her partner. She added: "We're going to get married. No Tupperware, please."

A crowd of people raised their fists in triumph inside City Hall, and people wrapped themselves in the rainbow-colored gay-pride flag outside the courthouse. In the Castro, the historic center of the gay community in San Francisco, Tim Oviatt wept as he watched the news on TV.

"I've been waiting for this all my life. This is a life-affirming moment," he said.

By the afternoon, gay and lesbian couples had already started lining up at San Francisco City Hall to make appointments to get marriage licenses. In West Hollywood, supporters were planning to serve "wedding cake" at an evening celebration.

James Dobson, chairman of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, called the ruling an "outrage."

"It will be up to the people of California to preserve traditional marriage by passing a constitutional amendment. ... Only then can they protect themselves from this latest example of judicial tyranny," he said in an e-mail statement.

In its 4-3 ruling, the Republican-dominated high court struck down state laws against same-sex marriage and said domestic partnerships that provide many of the rights and benefits of matrimony are not enough.

"In contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation," Chief Justice Ronald George wrote for the majority in ringing language that delighted gay rights activists.

Massachusetts is the only other state to legalize gay marriage, something it did in 2004. The California ruling is considered monumental by virtue of the state's size ? 38 million out of a U.S. population of 302 million ? and its historic role in the vanguard of the many social and cultural changes that have swept the country since World War II.

California has an estimated 92,000 same-sex couples.

"It's about human dignity. It's about human rights. It's about time in California," San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, pumping his fist in the air, told a roaring crowd at City Hall. "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation. It's inevitable. This door's wide open now. It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."

Unlike Massachusetts, California has no residency requirement for obtaining a marriage license, meaning gays from around the country are likely to flock to the state to be wed, said Jennifer Pizer, a gay-rights attorney who worked on the case.

The ultimate reach of the ruling could be limited, however, since most states do not recognize gay marriages performed elsewhere. Nor does the federal government.

The conservative Alliance Defense Fund said it would ask the justices for a stay of the decision until after the fall election in hopes of adding California to the list of 26 states that have approved constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage.

"We're obviously very disappointed in the decision. The remedy is a constitutional amendment. The constitution defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman," said Glen Lavy, senior counsel for the organization.

Randy Thomasson of VoteYesMarriage.com, a campaign to amend the California Constitution to ban gay marriage, said the decision was in effect telling children that they have a "new role model ? homosexual marriage, aspire to it.

"This is a disaster," he said.

Opponents of gay marriage could also ask the high court to reconsider. If the court rejects such a request, same-sex couples could start getting married in 30 days, the time it typically takes for the justices' opinions to become final.

The justices said they would direct state officials "to take all actions necessary to effectuate our ruling," including requiring county marriage clerks to carry out their duties "in a manner consistent with" the court's decision.

James Vaughn, director of the California Log Cabin Republicans, called the ruling a "conservative one."

"The justices have ensured that the law treats all Californians fairly and equally. This decision is a good one for all families, gay and non-gay," Vaughn said.

The case was set in motion in 2004 when the mayor of San Francisco ? the unofficial capital of gay America ? threw City Hall open to gay couples to get married in a calculated challenge to California law. Four-thousand gay couples wed before the Supreme Court put a halt to the practice after a month.

Two dozen gay couples then sued, along with the city and gay rights organizations.

Thursday's ruling could alter the dynamics of the presidential race and state and congressional contests in California and beyond by causing a backlash among conservatives and drawing them to the polls in large numbers.

A spokesman for Republican John McCain, who opposes gay marriage, said the Arizona senator "doesn't believe judges should be making these decisions." The campaigns of Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton said they believe that the issue of marriage should be left to the states.

Ten states now offer some form of legal recognition to same-sex couples ? in most cases, domestic partnerships or civil unions. In the past few years, the courts in New York, New Jersey and Washington state have refused to allow gay marriage.

Outside the San Francisco courthouse, gay marriage supporters cried and cheered as news spread of the decision. Jeanie Rizzo, one of the plaintiffs, called Pali Cooper, her partner of 19 years, via cell phone and asked, "Pali, will you marry me?"

Shannon Minter of the National Center for Lesbian Rights said same-sex marriage advocates could not have hoped for a more favorable ruling by the Republican-dominated court. "It's a total victory," Minter said.

California already offers same-sex couples who register as domestic partners many of the legal rights and responsibilities afforded to married couples, including the right to divorce and to sue for child support.

Citing a 1948 California Supreme Court decision that overturned a ban on interracial marriages, the justices struck down the state's 1977 one-man, one-woman marriage law, as well as a similar, voter-approved law that passed with 61 percent in 2000.

The chief justice was joined by Justices Joyce Kennard and Kathryn Werdegar, all three of whom were appointed by Republican governors, and Justice Carlos Moreno, the only member of the court appointed by a Democrat.

In a dissent, Justice Marvin Baxter agreed with many arguments of the majority but said that the court overstepped its authority and that changes to marriage laws should be decided by the voters. Justices Ming Chin and Carol Corrigan also dissented.

California's secretary of state is expected to rule by the end of June whether the sponsors gathered enough signatures to put the gay-marriage amendment on the ballot.

Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has twice vetoed legislation that would have granted marriage to same-sex couples, said in a statement that he respected the court's decision and "will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling."

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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 11:28:21 PM »
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Unlike Massachusetts, California has no residency requirement for obtaining a marriage license, meaning gays from around the country are likely to flock to the state to be wed...

This could quickly make Ka-lee-for-nee-yah the swishiest state in the nation.
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 11:29:24 PM »
I would say that it already is, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 12:41:20 AM »
Congratulations to those who consider this a victory.

Condolences to those who consider this a loss.

And come November, rinse, repeat.


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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 12:48:26 AM »
Congratulations to those who consider this a victory.

Condolences to those who consider this a loss.


I accept your congratulations with thanks.

And come November, rinse, repeat.

Unfortunately, but these things take time.

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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 09:46:07 AM »
I would prefer that this not be on the same ballot as the presidential race.
The Florida legislature is seriously anti-gay, but this does not seem to have had any impact on people in Key West, South Beach and Coconut Grove.  Most gays do not swish, anyway. Not that it bothers me.
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »
Given the current financial black hole it's sinking into.....I wouldn't recommend it
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 12:48:07 PM »
Given the current financial black hole it's sinking into.....I wouldn't recommend it
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I doubt that living in a state whose government is in some sort of deficit is any sort of major problem for anyone not dependent on the state. All they can do is tax you.
I thought Arnold was going to save the day for California , being a fiscally responsible Republican and all...

A bad day on the beach in the winter in CA is better than a good day in ND, after all.
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 12:55:34 PM »
Problem is
A) Arnold is (R) in name only
B) We have a Democrat run legislature who apparently have no concept of fiscal discipline/responsibility.  Wow, what a stunner
C) Reasonable weather doesn't pay the bills
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 01:11:58 PM »
Problem is
A) Arnold is (R) in name only
B) We have a Democrat run legislature who apparently have no concept of fiscal discipline/responsibility.  Wow, what a stunner
C) Reasonable weather doesn't pay the bills.
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Arnold is the only (R) that the GOP could probably get elected.
There are a singularly large number of truly mean-spirited SOB's in Orange County that seem to contro much of the party.
Nice weather makes for lower heating bills. I hardly pay anything to keep warm here in Miami. My sister paid $300 a month to keep her house above 69?F last winter.

We had a good economy here in FL when Jebbiebush was governor. He slashed the few taxes we had on the superrich (the intangibles tax, which never cost me over $150 a year), and now times are tough and the state is again in the hole. WE had a GOP legislature and a GOP governor, and there are still problems. State University funding per capita  and faculty salaries are  number 50, even Mississippi is ahead of us.

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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 01:20:36 PM »
I actually really like Northern California, around Yreka, Weed, all those dinky little towns.  Southern Cal would be too damned hot for me, and San Francisco would be too expensive.  We're finally having spring here today, it's about damned time.

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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 01:23:42 PM »
Seize the day, celebrate! i'm happy for this victory.  One day we'll look back and wonder why this took so long.
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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 01:35:15 PM »
I actually really like Northern California, around Yreka, Weed, all those dinky little towns.

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I know Yreka got its name (= 'I found it' in Greek) because there already was a Eureka, and they refused to give up the name, but was Weed named for someone with that surname?

If they ever legalize pot, Weed would be a good place to locate one's central office to.
"We are Weed"...at least as good as "Toys R Us".

It has always seemed to me that people are lots friendlier W of the Mississippi, with the exception of West Virginia. Friendlier to other people, friendlier to other drivers, pretty much friendlier all around.

I have lived in MO, IA, NM, WA, KS, WV, VA, MD, and FL.

RI is pretty friendly, too, I must say, but I have only visited there.


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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 01:37:26 PM »
Arnold is the only (R) that the GOP could probably get elected.

It's the only one they tried.



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Re: Maybe I Should Move to California
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 04:58:30 PM »
It's the only one they tried.

Really? there was a whole mob of people running for governor, from Gary Coleman to Angelina. One Republican was a guy named Issa, who invented the Super Annoying Car Alarm we all have come to loathe. He started the petition to bring down Gray Davis, and when he heard Arnold was running, he cried and withdrew.

So I don't know who "They" were, but there were surely many Republicans in that race. Arnold was the most popular, so he won.

That is the way it's supposed to work, I think.
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