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When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« on: November 01, 2006, 03:15:41 PM »
he shouldn't prove it by being one:

  MSNBC.com

Bush’s Nostalgia
The dust-up between the president and Sen. John Kerry over Iraq is a flashback to 2004. Unfortunately for the GOP, the 2006 outcome could be very different.
WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Richard Wolffe and Holly Bailey
Newsweek

Updated: 9:09 a.m. AKT Nov 1, 2006
Nov. 1, 2006 - There’s no fight like an old fight. And this week’s emotional exchanges between President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry were nothing if not old. Kerry screwed up what he called a “botched joke” about Bush’s brainpower when it comes to Iraq; Bush pounced by challenging his ex-rival’s commitment to the troops.

Memo to Bush and Kerry: neither of you are on the ballot next week. And while it may be satisfying to rehash the last election, you both run the risk of looking totally out of touch.

The risks for President Bush are greater than they are for Senator Kerry, who may have suffered the deep embarrassment of falling into a familiar self-made trap. But he leads nothing inside his party, sets no strategy and the Democrats can easily disown him—as several candidates have done by canceling events with him this week.

President Bush, on the other hand, enjoys no such luxuries. In fact, the concerted attack on Kerry—complete with White House and Republican National Committee press releases—threatens to undermine a central premise of the party’s strategy. For months on the campaign trail, GOP candidates have insisted the election isn’t a referendum on Bush or national politics; it’s a choice between two local contenders. The president may have diverted attention back onto Democrats, but he also turned the focus back on himself and the war.

Neither subject is a winning issue for GOP candidates—and that is precisely why the Bush-Kerry fracas is so outdated. Bush’s approval rating in the most recent NEWSWEEK poll stood at 37 percent—10 points lower than the last poll before the 2004 elections, and fully 33 points lower than 2002.

On the two big issues that Bush wants to debate, the political world looks nothing like 2004, as measured by NEWSWEEK polls. Two years ago, Bush held an 11-point lead over Kerry on Iraq, and an 18-point lead on terrorism. Today, the GOP is trailing the Democrats on Iraq by 12 points and is leading on terrorism by just 1 point.

Based on those numbers, it’s easy to see why President Bush is vastly happier campaigning like it’s still 2004. His rhetoric on the campaign trail reflects those relatively comfortable days much more than the somber statements he has recently issued from the White House.


Just last week, at his press conference in the East Room, the president told how the violence in Iraq started with a sophisticated insurgency, fueled in part by Al Qaeda. But more recently the killing turned into “sectarian reprisals” and what he called “the cycle of violence.”

But on the campaign trail, there is no room for the insurgents or sectarian death squads. There are only terrorists, and their apparent friends, the Democrats. “However they put it, the Democrat approach comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” Bush told a rally in Perry, Ga., on Tuesday. “And that’s what’s at stake in this election. The Democrats want to get us out of Iraq, and the Republican goal is to win in Iraq.”

In fact, given the choice between the Democratic and Republican strategies—as described by the president—voters seem to prefer his opponents’ approach. According to the most recent NEWSWEEK poll, 61 percent want to see a timetable set for withdrawal from Iraq—and that includes 39 percent of Republicans.

That’s not the only stark comparison with elections past. When President Bush goes to Missouri on Friday to stump for GOP Senate candidate Jim Talent, it will be four years—almost to the day—since he did the same thing.

On Nov. 4, 2002, in the final hours of the hotly contested midterm elections, Bush was the star attraction at a rally to drive up voter enthusiasm for Talent’s first Senate campaign. The circumstances weren’t much different back then: a dead-heat Senate race in an influential swing state and a president fighting to retain his party’s majority in Congress.

Recently, Bush has explained his optimism for his party’s political chances this year by reminding reporters how many people predicted the GOP’s demise in 2002. “A lot of pundits didn’t get the election right,” Bush said in an interview with Fox News earlier this week. “In 2006, there is a lot of predictors saying that, you know, the Democrats will sweep the House and maybe take the Senate … I just don’t see it that way.”

Yet 2006 is not like 2002. Four years ago, Bush and the GOP were not weighed down by worries over Iraq or ethical scandals. The White House has worked hard to squelch talk that Bush’s low poll numbers have made him politically radioactive on the campaign trail. But the numbers don’t lie.

In 2002, Bush hit 17 cities in 15 states in the final five days of the campaign. This year, a tentative schedule released by the White House has Bush working at half that pace: eight cities in seven states between now and Election Day.


In 2002, Bush devoted the final days of the campaign to helping his party’s most vulnerable candidates—a list that included four Senate candidates, nearly a dozen House races and a handful of Republican gubernatorial candidates. His itinerary included public rallies in states like Tennessee, Missouri, Minnesota, Illinois, Florida and Iowa.

Today most of those stops are scheduled in what has been traditionally regarded as Bush country, a list that includes Iowa, Kansas, Montana and Texas. This week alone, Bush held rallies in what should be friendly territory—including Tom DeLay’s old congressional district in Texas and two straight days of campaigning in Georgia.

Administration officials have said they are keeping Bush’s schedule flexible to aid any last-minute political maneuvering, so additions to his itinerary may yet come.

But Missouri is a case in point: a conservative state that has become ground zero in the fight to control the Senate. A series of polls puts Talent in a dead heat with Democrat Claire McCaskill. Yet Bush’s visit is hardly a slam dunk for the GOP. Bush has visited the state twice this year to raise money for Talent’s campaign, but the Republican candidate has not appeared publicly with the president. On Friday, that will change: Talent is scheduled to travel with Bush to rallies in Springfield and Joplin to, in his words, “get people enthusiastic in the last stretch.”

On that basis, the GOP may be writing off independent voters who have fallen out of love with the president. That might also explain the curious decision to campaign back home in Texas the day before the election. On Monday, Bush is scheduled to headline a rally in Dallas for a roster of Lone Star Republicans, including Gov. Rick Perry—who looks safely on his way to a third term.

Two years ago, Bush wound up his re-election campaign with a last rally in Dallas, where thousands of people turned out to cheer the president onto a second term. This time around, the mood is different. Asked about the Perry rally during an interview with the Dallas Morning News last week, Bush seemed to have mixed feelings. "It'll be a nostalgic moment for me," Bush said. "It's the last time I will be at the head of the ticket, and I'm looking forward to it."


Bush may be feeling nostalgic about the campaign. But judging by the polls, voters are ready to move on.

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 03:58:59 PM »
But he leads nothing inside his party, sets no strategy and the Democrats can easily disown him

Yet he was who the Democrats chose to nominate as their presidential candidate among all the Democrats available to run in this country. He's your party's standard bearer. I bet people are pretty happy right now they didn't elect him as the Commander in Chief.

If the Dems take control of the senate, Kerry will be the chairman of some committee. And I believe he represents the mindset of the modern day Democrat party and the derogatory feelings they have toward the men and women who serve in the military.

Bobby Casey, Jr. has taken 500 grand raised by John Kerry, will he give that money back?

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 05:46:41 PM »
But he leads nothing inside his party, sets no strategy and the Democrats can easily disown him

Yet he was who the Democrats chose to nominate as their presidential candidate among all the Democrats available to run in this country. He's your party's standard bearer. I bet people are pretty happy right now they didn't elect him as the Commander in Chief.

If the Dems take control of the senate, Kerry will be the chairman of some committee. And I believe he represents the mindset of the modern day Democrat party and the derogatory feelings they have toward the men and women who serve in the military.

Bobby Casey, Jr. has taken 500 grand raised by John Kerry, will he give that money back?

I never was a big Kerry fan but telling a bad joke like Kerry did is better than being a bad joke like Bush is. Keep the focus on Iraq please. We love when that happens.

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 08:04:21 PM »
Ricky, just in case you missed it, Casey is up by 13 points in RCP's consolidated data. Casey is at or better than the 50% threhold in nearly every poll taken over the last month.

Maybe Fox will give Santorum a half-hour show- seems to be the pattern for alot of failed GOP figures.

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 09:24:39 PM »
Casey is up by 13 points in RCP's consolidated data.

But Dems are over sampled in those polls. When you add in the percentage of Republicans that actually showed up at the polls in 2004 versus the lower amount that are credited in these polls, the race is much closer than 13 points. Santorum is down, but I don't believe he is going to lose by 13 points. Casey is hardly even showing his face in the state. He's an empty suit trying to get elected on his father's name.

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2006, 01:50:16 AM »
R.R.,
Do you think any Republicans are going to lose?  Just curious. 
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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2006, 03:59:31 AM »
Santorum is going down.

Crashandburn, for sure.

Who cares by how much, he's doomed, and rightly so.

We won't hear anymore from him unless he marries his golden retriever.
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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2006, 11:28:08 AM »
Santorum and Harris, are Farwel/Hagey wingnuts. There is a noticeable absents of "Moral Majority Pundits" hawking for Bush and his administration. Bush is keeping them out of sight and the State Rep. candidates are running away from Bush policies. Right now there is as much chaos at the GOP headquarters as there is in Baghdad. The Republicans don't have a plan to win the war and they don't have a plan to win the election. Bush and company will not spin their way out of this mess. They will pay a price for the bias leadership and the narrow minded stay the course strategy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2006, 11:48:45 AM »
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They will pay a price for the bias leadership and the narrow minded stay the course strategy.

Then again they might not lose. That is why they hold the elections instead of just declaring a winner from the latest poll.

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Re: When 60 % of US thinks Bush is a jerk,
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2006, 01:41:39 PM »
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They will pay a price for the bias leadership and the narrow minded stay the course strategy.

Then again they might not lose. That is why they hold the elections instead of just declaring a winner from the latest poll.


Might as well this time:



November 2, 2006
With Election Driven by Iraq, Voters Want New Approach

By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MEGAN THEE
WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 — A substantial majority of Americans expect Democrats to reduce or end American military involvement in Iraq if they win control of Congress next Tuesday and say Republicans will maintain or increase troop levels to try to win the war if they hold on to power on Capitol Hill, according to the final New York Times/CBS News poll before the midterm election.

The poll showed that 29 percent of Americans approve of the way President Bush is managing the war, matching the lowest mark of his presidency. Nearly 70 percent said Mr. Bush did not have a plan to end the war, and 80 percent said Mr. Bush’s latest effort to rally public support for the conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy.

The poll underlined the extent to which the war has framed the midterm elections. Americans cited Iraq as the most important issue affecting their vote, and majorities of Republicans and Democrats said they wanted a change in approach. Twenty percent said they thought the United States was winning in Iraq, down from a high this year of 36 percent in January.

Even beyond the war, the Times/CBS News poll, like most other polls this fall, contained worrisome indicators for Republicans as they go into the final days of a campaign in which many are bracing for a loss of seats in both the House and the Senate.

In a year when there are many close races, Democrats were more enthusiastic than Republicans about voting and more likely to say they would support their party’s candidates, although Republicans were slightly more likely to say they would actually vote.

Fifty percent of independent voters, a closely watched segment of the electorate in such polarized times, said they intended to vote for the Democratic candidate, versus 23 who said they would vote for a Republican.

Among registered voters, 33 percent said they planned to support Republicans, and 52 percent said they would vote for Democrats.

As a rule, generic questions like those, while providing broad insights into the national mood, are often imprecise as a predictor of the outcome of hundreds of Congressional races, where local issues and personalities can shape the result.

Voters said neither Democrats nor Republicans had offered a plan for governing should they win on Tuesday, the poll found.

Yet Americans have some clear notions of how government may change if Democrats win control of Congress.

Beyond a quicker exit from Iraq, respondents said they thought a Democratic-led Congress would be more likely to increase the minimum wage, hold down rapidly rising health and prescription drug costs, improve the economy and — as Republicans have said frequently in these closing days of the campaign — raise taxes.

By a slight margin, more respondents said the threat of terrorism would increase under Republicans than said it would increase under Democrats.

Notwithstanding the clear expectation among members of both parties that a Democratic-led Congress would produce a change in Iraq policy, it was not clear how much influence that might have on Mr. Bush, who as commander in chief would retain the final say.


In addition, while Democrats have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq, there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.

Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.

Forty-one percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.

Those findings cut across party lines, but the poll found that Democrats were more likely to say Republicans would increase American troop strength while Republicans were more likely to say Democrats would remove all troops.

Follow-up interviews found clear expectations about the policies each party would pursue in Iraq, even if there was disagreement about which course was correct.

“If the Republicans continue in power, they would probably just want to keep doing what we’re doing and doing it longer and harder because the president is Republican and he’s the one who sent the troops there in the first place,” said Ashley Robertson, 20, a Democrat from Minnesota. “But right now I think it’s a bad thing to bring them all home because it’s like we went in there to try to help and we’re leaving them high and dry and saying clean up our mess.”

Pat Atley, 73, a Republican from Florida, said she expected Republicans to press for more troops in Iraq if they stayed in power, although she said she hoped they would not.

“I’ve always felt we were never going to do any good over there,” Ms. Atley said, adding, “I don’t think we should increase our troops because increased troops aren’t going to do anything except put more of our men and women in jeopardy.”

Mr. Bush’s overall approval rating was 34 percent, unchanged from a poll three weeks ago, an anemic rating that explains why many Democrats are featuring him in their final advertisements, as well as why some Republican incumbents do not want him at their side.

That approval rating is 9 points below where former President Bill Clinton’s was in October 1994 — the election in which Republicans surprised Democrats by taking control of the House — and 28 points below where Mr. Bush’s approval rating was on the eve of the 2002 midterms.

In this latest poll, 56 percent of respondents said Mr. Bush’s campaigning on behalf of candidates had generally hurt them, as compared with 26 percent who said a campaign visit by Mr. Bush helped.

There was a slight increase, to 38 percent from 34 percent three weeks ago, in respondents who said they approved of how Mr. Bush was managing the economy. Similarly, there was a slight increase, to 44 percent from 40 percent in July, in respondents who said they approved of how Mr. Bush had managed the situation with North Korea.

In a year marked by corruption scandals, 58 percent of voters said corruption was widespread in Washington; 35 percent said the Republican Party had the most corrupt politicians, compared with 15 percent who said the Democratic Party did.

The poll found that the intensity of Democratic support for Democratic candidates was slightly greater than Republican support for Republican candidates, which could give some solace to Democrats who have been concerned that the Republican Party’s formidable get-out-the-vote operation would help them eke out victories in close Congressional races. Ninety percent of Democratic voters are planning to vote Democratic, while 83 percent of Republicans said they would support Republican candidates.

In addition, 50 percent of Democrats said they felt more enthusiastic about voting in this election than in previous ones, compared with 39 percent of Republicans.

But 93 percent of Republicans said they were definitely or probably going to vote next Tuesday, compared with 89 percent of Democrats.

Marjorie Connelly and Marina Stefan contributed reporting.