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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2008, 02:17:19 PM »
it is unfortunate that Obama made a political football out of diplomacy ...

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Au contraire, mon ami.

Foreign policy is a major issue with regard to the presidency, because in 2000 the people supposedly elected a president who did not believe in reforming foreign governments, and got one who mongered a war on false premises that continues to devour the lives, sanity, and health of US servicemen, the lives and future of millions of Iraqis, and our saving ans future incomes to boot.

After a total shift from expected foreign policy caused major problems and continues to cause them for the foreseeable future, this is a MAJOR ISSUE, not some sort of dumbass ball sport.
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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2008, 05:57:21 PM »
it is unfortunate that Obama made a political football out of diplomacy ...

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Au contraire, mon ami.

Foreign policy is a major issue with regard to the presidency, because in 2000 the people supposedly elected a president who did not believe in reforming foreign governments, and got one who mongered a war on false premises that continues to devour the lives, sanity, and health of US servicemen, the lives and future of millions of Iraqis, and our saving ans future incomes to boot.

After a total shift from expected foreign policy caused major problems and continues to cause them for the foreseeable future, this is a MAJOR ISSUE, not some sort of dumbass ball sport.



I mean it is unfortunate for Obama , who will have no experience to point to and who is prone to t urn something he has emphasized as his issue into exploitable gaffes.

He really is probably no worse than Carter in terms of outlook or naivete , but Carters experience in foreign affairs is not an example to be bragged on , Carter made gaffes that foreign leaders could exploit.

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2008, 09:05:10 PM »
I mean it is unfortunate for Obama , who will have no experience to point to and who is prone to t urn something he has emphasized as his issue into exploitable gaffes.

He really is probably no worse than Carter in terms of outlook or naivete , but Carters experience in foreign affairs is not an example to be bragged on , Carter made gaffes that foreign leaders could exploit.

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For a guy who had no experience, Obama was the only one of the three current candidates who called it right on Iraq and did not fall for the "President's" lies and bullshit.  What good is "experience" when the other two more "experienced" candidates couldn't tell their foreign policy ass from their Middle East elbow (and to anyone bothering to follow McCain's on-going series of gaffes/"senior moments" with regard to Iraq, it's obvious that he still can't.)   Either "experience" is vastly over-hyped, or these other two jackasses don't really have the "experience" they lay claim to.  If you are worried about "gaffes," I'd say the biggest foreign policy gaffe in U.S. history, next to Viet Nam, is the Iraq War, and that gaffe was not Obama's.

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2008, 11:02:04 PM »
I mean it is unfortunate for Obama , who will have no experience to point to and who is prone to t urn something he has emphasized as his issue into exploitable gaffes.

He really is probably no worse than Carter in terms of outlook or naivete , but Carters experience in foreign affairs is not an example to be bragged on , Carter made gaffes that foreign leaders could exploit.

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For a guy who had no experience, Obama was the only one of the three current candidates who called it right on Iraq and did not fall for the "President's" lies and bullshit.  What good is "experience" when the other two more "experienced" candidates couldn't tell their foreign policy ass from their Middle East elbow (and to anyone bothering to follow McCain's on-going series of gaffes/"senior moments" with regard to Iraq, it's obvious that he still can't.)   Either "experience" is vastly over-hyped, or these other two jackasses don't really have the "experience" they lay claim to.  If you are worried about "gaffes," I'd say the biggest foreign policy gaffe in U.S. history, next to Viet Nam, is the Iraq War, and that gaffe was not Obama's.


Why don't WWI and WWII make your list of gaffes?

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2008, 12:29:25 AM »
<<Why don't WWI and WWII make your list of gaffes?>>

WWI might well have been a gaffe.  I have a great sentimental affection for Great Britain, though, and I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who feel the same way.  But Germany wasn't the villain in WWI that she was in WWII, so it's harder to see how any overriding interest of America was served by that war.  I don't really know all that was at stake in WWI, so I'm keeping an open mind on that question.  That was a war without any real bad guys, at least in Europe.

WWII was a threat to Western civilization and to the Socialist Motherland from an unremittingly evil source.  That evil had to be, as Churchill said (more or less) "expunged, erased and if need be, BLAWSTED (blasted) from the face of the earth."  How is it a gaffe to kill Japs and Nazis?  If Winston Churchill says it's OK, then it's OK with me too.

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2008, 12:49:18 AM »
<<Why don't WWI and WWII make your list of gaffes?>>

WWI might well have been a gaffe.  I have a great sentimental affection for Great Britain, though, and I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who feel the same way.  But Germany wasn't the villain in WWI that she was in WWII, so it's harder to see how any overriding interest of America was served by that war.  I don't really know all that was at stake in WWI, so I'm keeping an open mind on that question.  That was a war without any real bad guys, at least in Europe.

WWII was a threat to Western civilization and to the Socialist Motherland from an unremittingly evil source.  That evil had to be, as Churchill said (more or less) "expunged, erased and if need be, BLAWSTED (blasted) from the face of the earth."  How is it a gaffe to kill Japs and Nazis?  If Winston Churchill says it's OK, then it's OK with me too.


If only Chirchill could be consulted presently.

He had a lot of success blawsteing Facism , I shouldn't suppose that he would understand the threat of Islamo fascism simularly.

If I understand his career correctly , he was early in condemning Fascists and proposed readyness sooner than most Brits were ready to think in those terms.

An ideology that frankly admits that it wants to conquer is again running around , but there are lots of people who don't think it is serious ,....again.

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2008, 01:17:39 AM »
An ideology that frankly admits that it wants to conquer is again running around , but there are lots of people who don't think it is serious ,....again.

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The US would never think of world domination ::), but I think you will find that the ultimate goal of Coca Cola or Pepsi or probably even Mrs Butterworth is to gain 100% market share. Pretty much every American corporation wants to dominate and preferably monopolize its market...just like Islam.

If they had hated our freedoms, they would have crashed into the Statue of Liberty, or perhaps the Congress building.

But no, they targeted the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, because that is what they hated most about the US.

Should we target the Ka'aba, then?
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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2008, 05:53:29 AM »


Should we target the Ka'aba, then?



Probly not , we could destroy it , but would that actually have a positive effect?

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2008, 07:42:20 AM »
Probly not , we could destroy it , but would that actually have a positive effect?

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I don't think destroying the WTC could be said to have produce a positive effect.

If they did this because 'they hate our freedoms', then they have made it difficult for us to get on a plane without a shoe inspection, and many have lost nail clippers, pocketknives and small bottles of lotion and other toiletries.

I am guessing that destroying the Ka'aba would provoke more resentment than destroying Disneyland.
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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2008, 06:19:15 PM »
Probly not , we could destroy it , but would that actually have a positive effect?

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I don't think destroying the WTC could be said to have produce a positive effect.

If they did this because 'they hate our freedoms', then they have made it difficult for us to get on a plane without a shoe inspection, and many have lost nail clippers, pocketknives and small bottles of lotion and other toiletries.

I am guessing that destroying the Ka'aba would provoke more resentment than destroying Disneyland.


I have to suppose that they thought that slamming a few of our landmarks would bring us to fight on their turf, Osama seems to have desired a fight with us on ground he had prepared .

As far as I know we don't want to destroy the Ka'ba , we have freinds who hold it dear ,not just enemys.

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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2008, 06:33:14 PM »
I am basically opposed to destroying anything other than pesky microorganisms. I can see myself shooting a pack of hooting and whooping wild hyenas should they appear at my door. I deem this very unlikely, however.
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Re: What is it about Barack Obama that makes our enemies like him?
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2008, 07:54:50 PM »
<<If only Chirchill could be consulted presently.

<<He had a lot of success blawsteing Facism , I shouldn't suppose that he would understand the threat of Islamo fascism simularly.>>

I think you'd really like Prof. Richard Overy's short book On the Origins of the Second World War.  In a nutshell, British concerns (Churchill's included) had a lot to do with maintaining the balance of power in Europe and not allowing any one power to become dominant there, and with the defence and maintenance of a far-flung British Empire which was vulnerable to Japanese and Italian imperialism and really required a tough-guy image to discourage potential enemies from even discussing an attack on it.  When Hitler attacked Poland after promising the British and French that Czechoslovakia was his last territorial demand in Europe, they could either ignore the insult, signalling to Japan and Italy that they might not fight for their Empire in the Mediterranean, Africa or Asia, or show some backbone and declare war on Germany, which they finally did.

Militant Islam controls no territories or armies.  It's not a threat to any European or American state.  Its long-term goal, far as I can see, is to goad the U.S. and Britain into mass killings of Muslims and other atrocities (torture was a bonus that I'm sure they never foresaw) in the hopes of inflaming the citizens of U.S. puppet states in the region and provoking the overthrow of the puppet regimes.  So far the chief effect seems to be recruitment of more bodies into so-called "terrorist" activities, which relatively speaking, is a dead-end street.  While it keeps the pot boiling, the focus of the movement ought to be revolution and regime change, cutting the strings to Washington, and so far, that ain't happening.