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Michael Tee

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<<shame it`s not possible for people to make thier own power .>>

It was a pretty laborious process, kimba.  Sawing, splitting and stacking wood, digging peat, pushing capstans, hauling carts . . .

You wouldn't really want to go back.

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actually I did all that stuff
that`s one of the reasons I`m here wallowing in technology.
to me a hot shower is a true sign of advance technology
computers are just toys.
I really think our focus is off
why are we wasting our time making faster processors when we should be thinking of better ways to make affordable clean water and food.
I say this because every once in a while the news gets a out break of some food recall
how on earth are we not upset about this?


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doesn`t nuclear power cost more than petro based power??

A bit more, but if the spent fuel rods are stored properly, it's only pollution is thermal pollution (it heats up the environment around the plant while it's running).
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<<why are we wasting our time making faster processors when we should be thinking of better ways to make affordable clean water and food.>>

Those faster processors have enabled scientists to map the human genome.  This has already paid off by  enabling some scientists to identify the specific gene and the specific mutation on the gene that causes a particular type of tumor.  I am referring specifically to GISTS, gastro-intestinal stroma tumors, but there are or may be others as well, and eventually all of them will be so identified.  The genes and their mutations being identified, drugs can be custom-built to target only the tumor cells and kill them.  But it goes much further than that - - once the human genome is mapped, it can be redesigned.  Humans can now be designed and built with the ability to process dirty water or to get by on much less water, less food, in short adaptable to any environmental condition this planet can throw at them.

So I don't see any clash between the development of faster processors and the need for affordable clean water and food.  Map the bovine genome and you can grow beef by endlessly cloning the right muscle cells on trays, no need to waste precious farmland growing grain for them and no need to continue the cruelty of the slaughterhouses any more.  None of this possible without the faster processors, though.

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<shame it`s not possible for people to make thier own power .>>

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Suppose that some clever soul discovers a way to make solar power shingles that will supply all the power a house needs for perhaps less than double the price of standard shingles, and some other genius discovers a deep cycle battery that will store the energy indefinitely, in both house-sized and portable car-sized packages.

So now your house can be taken off the grid forever, and you can plug your car in and drive 300 miles between recharges.

How likely is it that the powers that be will NOT buy up this technology to prevent the irrelevance of nearly every service station and power plant in the nation?

How long would it take for this technology to become available to the average homeowner?

Will it EVER be possible?

Remember, we are talking about the sort of devious clowns that bought up the Red Car transit lines in Los Angeles and destroyed them to force the passengers into cars and those cars onto freeways.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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but doesn`t that make the meat cost more by the resources require to make the meat.
true we can do bothe make better computers and have safe foods.
but it`s doesn`t seem to be the case.
my town has the cleanest water around but soon it`s gonna be a mute point since the pipes are getting old.
it`s gonna get bad

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Michael Tee

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<<true we can do bothe make better computers and have safe foods.
but it`s doesn`t seem to be the case.>>

I think that's becasue there's still more research to be done in the genetic field before the benefits can be put into production and applied practically.

As far as the town pipes are concerned, obviously, that's a priority that has to be met ahead of faster processors.  I don't see a problem just raise a special levy on the real estate taxes or issue a municipal bond.  Doesn't the state help out with this?  Do they want more sick people raising the state costs associated with their illnesses?

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I knew an old hippie who used a contraption made with car alternators in a creek to power his home.  I'm not positive how it works, I know that he did get busted and got a large fine (for harassing salmon via his contraption) for it though.

Definitely an interesting idea, I'm sure that there are ways out there if someone was determined enough, but I think that it's too much work or expense for most people to do, even if it is cheaper in the long run.

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I knew an old hippie who used a contraption made with car alternators in a creek to power his home.  I'm not positive how it works, I know that he did get busted and got a large fine (for harassing salmon via his contraption) for it though.

If you turn the shaft of an alternator, you will get AC current. The contraption need be nothing more than a water wheel of some sort. Probably geared up to get the required revolutions on the alternator shaft.
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I knew an old hippie who used a contraption made with car alternators in a creek to power his home.  I'm not positive how it works, I know that he did get busted and got a large fine (for harassing salmon via his contraption) for it though.

If you turn the shaft of an alternator, you will get AC current. The contraption need be nothing more than a water wheel of some sort. Probably geared up to get the required revolutions on the alternator shaft.

It was a regular automobile alternator, that had paddles welded onto the pulley.  If I remember correctly, he had 6 or 7 of them running in a sequence.  I should also add that he used a wood cookstove and heated his bathwater, etc. on that, but he ran his lights, tv, refrigerator, and regular wall outlets off of the power generated from the creek.  I would imagine that if you had a large enough generator that you could run a range off of that as well.

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A Global Warming Agnostic


By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 30, 2008; Page A13

I'm not a global warming believer. I'm not a global warming denier. I'm a global warming agnostic who believes instinctively that it can't be very good to pump lots of CO2into the atmosphere but is equally convinced that those who presume to know exactly where that leads are talking through their hats.

Predictions of catastrophe depend on models. Models depend on assumptions about complex planetary systems -- from ocean currents to cloud formation -- that no one fully understands. Which is why the models are inherently flawed and forever changing. The doomsday scenarios posit a cascade of events, each with a certain probability. The multiple improbability of their simultaneous occurrence renders all such predictions entirely speculative.

Yet on the basis of this speculation, environmental activists, attended by compliant scientists and opportunistic politicians, are advocating radical economic and social regulation. "The largest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity," warns Czech President Vaclav Klaus, "is no longer socialism. It is, instead, the ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism."

If you doubt the arrogance, you haven't seen that Newsweek cover story that declared the global warming debate over. Consider: If Newton's laws of motion could, after 200 years of unfailing experimental and experiential confirmation, be overthrown, it requires religious fervor to believe that global warming -- infinitely more untested, complex and speculative -- is a closed issue.


But declaring it closed has its rewards. It not only dismisses skeptics as the running dogs of reaction, i.e., of Exxon, Cheney and now Klaus. By fiat, it also hugely re-empowers the intellectual left.

For a century, an ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous knowledge class -- social planners, scientists, intellectuals, experts and their left-wing political allies -- arrogated to themselves the right to rule either in the name of the oppressed working class (communism) or, in its more benign form, by virtue of their superior expertise in achieving the highest social progress by means of state planning (socialism).

Two decades ago, however, socialism and communism died rudely, then were buried forever by the empirical demonstration of the superiority of market capitalism everywhere from Thatcher's England to Deng's China, where just the partial abolition of socialism lifted more people out of poverty more rapidly than ever in human history.

Just as the ash heap of history beckoned, the intellectual left was handed the ultimate salvation: environmentalism. Now the experts will regulate your life not in the name of the proletariat or Fabian socialism but -- even better -- in the name of Earth itself.

Environmentalists are Gaia's priests, instructing us in her proper service and casting out those who refuse to genuflect. (See Newsweek above.) And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment -- carbon chastity -- they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.

Only Monday, a British parliamentary committee proposed that every citizen be required to carry a carbon card that must be presented, under penalty of law, when buying gasoline, taking an airplane or using electricity. The card contains your yearly carbon ration to be drawn down with every purchase, every trip, every swipe.

There's no greater social power than the power to ration. And, other than rationing food, there is no greater instrument of social control than rationing energy, the currency of just about everything one does and uses in an advanced society.

So what does the global warming agnostic propose as an alternative? First, more research -- untainted and reliable -- to determine (a) whether the carbon footprint of man is or is not lost among the massive natural forces (from sunspot activity to ocean currents) that affect climate, and (b) if the human effect is indeed significant, whether the planetary climate system has the homeostatic mechanisms (like the feedback loops in the human body, for example) with which to compensate.

Second, reduce our carbon footprint in the interim by doing the doable, rather than the economically ruinous and socially destructive. The most obvious step is a major move to nuclear power, which to the atmosphere is the cleanest of the clean.

But your would-be masters have foreseen this contingency. The Church of the Environment promulgates secondary dogmas as well. One of these is a strict nuclear taboo.

Rather convenient, is it not? Take this major coal-substituting fix off the table, and we will be rationing all the more. Guess who does the rationing.

Krauthammer Column