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Took him long enough.
« on: May 31, 2008, 08:22:53 PM »
Obama resigns from controversial church

(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign confirmed Saturday that he has resigned from the Chicago church where controversial sermons by his former pastor and other ministers created repeated political headaches for the Democratic frontrunner.

The resignation comes days after the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a visiting Catholic priest, mocked Obama's Democratic rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, for crying during the runup to the New Hampshire primary.

Previously, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, former pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ and Obama's minister for about 20 years, drew unwanted attention for the campaign when videos of his fiery sermons surfaced.

In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism.

Obama has said he was not present for the controversial sermons by Wright or Pfleger and condemned both. This week, he said he was "deeply disappointed" by Pfleger's "divisive, backward-looking rhetoric."

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Re: Took him long enough.
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 04:18:33 PM »
Funny how he only felt the need to resign after something a White man said.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 05:22:46 PM »
Can we say "politically expedient"?  I knew you could       ;)
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 05:33:39 PM »
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 05:40:35 PM »
BTW, did anyone actually see him answer questions about the whole thing on Saturday?  He explained it all very well.


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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 05:42:51 PM »
Not at all.  If he had left the Church 20+yrs ago when he KNEW FULL WELL then, the amount of vitriole this church and its pastor(s) had towards White America, there'd be no damning what-so-ever.  There'd even be an acknowledgement of principle, since he keeps saying how these pastors are sermonizing rhetoric he's so diametrically opposed to

Doing so now, simply makes him look all the more as your typical DC politician.  His judgement took the hit long ago Brass.  and it's made even more so by folks like Tee, and likely yourself, who actually support the rhetoric of Rev Wright, Ayers, and Pfleger spew.

But let's find out......what are yours and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger?  You support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary?

Inquiring minds would love to know
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 05:53:26 PM »
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?


Yes it is .

We are aware of how well it worked for Bush detractors , so we wnat to try it out.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 09:52:19 PM »
So, you didn't avail yourself of his explanation.

Understood.

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 12:23:47 AM »
LOL....what explanation can even remotely justify staying at that church that had his pastor, his mentor, his spiritual advisor, with guest preachers like Pfleger, spewing rhetoric for 20+years, that he was so supposedly opposed to, and only now coming to a realization of how polarizing it is??

Lemme help you out......there is none.  Or is he that much of an ignorant moron.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 01:25:04 AM »
But let's find out......what are yours and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger?  You support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary?

Inquiring minds would love to know

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I would think that the Church's --any church's-- actions are far more important than the words of the sermons. Wright and Pfleger may have made some nutty comments, but they stopped short of any action against Whitey, or Hillary, or anyone.

If the purpose of a Church is good works and fellowship, then the sermons are of minor importance. I imagine that Obama sees it like this. Or at least saw it like this until his resignation.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 01:39:30 AM »
Didn't feel like answering the question, did ya.  I understand.  Would likely put you in the same untenable position as Obama has put himself into
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 06:07:33 AM »
    The most strikeing part of the videos availible is not the incendary comments , but the reaction of the congregation to hearing them.

      Reversing the situation would have a congregation listening to someone blameing some severe problems on black people , this has become rare , and won't be morned when it is gone.

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 07:30:47 AM »
The most strikeing part of the videos availible is not the incendary comments , but the reaction of the congregation to hearing them.

      Reversing the situation would have a congregation listening to someone blameing some severe problems on black people , this has become rare , and won't be morned when it is gone.

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Giving sermons and listening to them and reacting to them is not a logical exercise. It is more like people cheering for the home team, an exercise in community. White people have be known to paint their bodies for the game and do all sorts of wacko things, but it does not mean that they take action on them. Observe how they never go to Wisconsin after the game and attempt to loot and burn down Green Bay, or whatever.

Team spirit at sports events and saying 'amen' to the preacher are adolescent exercises in what is know in the church as 'fellowshipping'
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 08:58:41 AM »
White people have be known to paint their bodies for the game and do all sorts of wacko things, but it does not mean that they take action on them. Observe how they never go to Wisconsin after the game and attempt to loot and burn down Green Bay, or whatever.

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A few hours earlier, the shop was overrun by looters when hundreds of people spilled into the streets throughout the city following the Chicago Bulls' defeat of the Portland Trailblazers to win their second straight National Basketball Association championship.

Before the night was over, 100 people were injured, 95 of them police officers. More than 1,000 people were arrested; 61 police vehicles damaged, including 4 by gunfire, and several fires set. Officials this evening had no count of the number of stores looted and no financial estimate of the damage.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0D71F3CF935A25755C0A964958260
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 11:00:28 AM »
LOL....what explanation can even remotely justify staying at that church that had his pastor, his mentor, his spiritual advisor, with guest preachers like Pfleger, spewing rhetoric for 20+years, that he was so supposedly opposed to, and only now coming to a realization of how polarizing it is??

Lemme help you out......there is none.  Or is he that much of an ignorant moron.

Lemme help you out, I think he should have never gone to a church to begin with but that's neither here nor there.

I think you guys are just all about outraged over this church thing because you know that it reflects badly on ALL evangelicals and all the crazy things they say from the pulpit.

You righties like to say that there is a difference between Hagee and Wright, between Falwell and Fleger and McCain and Obama's relationship with each of their respective associations when, in fact, there is but not in the way you like to spin it.

Perhaps over the years, Obama did sit in the pulpit and here similar diatribes from Reverend Wright but over those same years, Obama formed a friendship with Reverend Wright, a relationship with Reverend Wright, worked with and served the community with Reverend Wright.  So, when the politically expedient thing was not his response, it made complete sense to me because you don't just throw over someone you've done good work with and been friends with for years because some political operatives are using that relationship as a wedge issue.  The point being that Senator Barack Obama was close with Reverend Wright and when his alleged "hate speech" was made an issue, Obama dealt with it in a measured and honorable way respecting their friendship while trying to negate the situation politically.

Conversely, consider John McCain's situation.  Pastor Hagee's positions and bizarre statements were common knowledge.  Even I had flipped through TBN and caught moments of crazy talk from Hagee as he tried to baffle believers with his bullshit whilst bilking them out of their bread.  But John McCain was not close with Hagee.  They had not worked together for 20 years to save lives and strengthen their own community.  I thought I read or heard that Hagee had married John McCain and his new wife but that may have been a rumor or something I dreamed.  The point being that Hagee was out there calling the Catholic Church "a great whore" and saying any number of nutty statements and McCain SOUGHT OUT HIS SUPPORT.  McCain went looking for, asking his endorsement.  Against his own better judgment, I daresay!  I imagine he was following the advice of some political hack who told him he couldn't win without what Jon Stewart once called "crazy base land" (Stewart said that to McCain on the Daily Show).

So, now, after Trinity has a guest speaker who says some particularly silly things (true enough but presented particularly stupidly) who also happens to be friendly with Barack Obama, Obama has now quit the church.  Resigned from his own church.  Cut off from his friends and neighbors and fellow worshipers because you guys didn't like the way a totally different person whom Obama has absolutely no control over said some stupid shit about Hillary Clinton of all people!  Jesus Christ, he bends over backwards to accommodate you guys who don't even like him and won't vote for him anyway.

Have your fun, make your sad, pathetic points and feel good that you have wrecked a family's Sunday morning traditions all to gain a few little brownie points that no one will remember when President Barack Obama is sworn in next January.