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I guess the evidence is in.
« on: November 02, 2006, 08:36:26 PM »
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

THE PRESIDENT OF 30 MILLION-STRONG NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS, REV. TED HAGGARD, HAS RESIGNED AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF PAYING FOR SEX WITH A MAN


http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

It is going to be sooo sad to see 30 million whacked out fundies crying and licking their wounds(among other things, probly) rigt through all of next Tues.

   

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2006, 09:07:09 PM »
My guess is most of his congregation will pray for him.

And i guess the rest of us will wonder why the left takes such glee in outting gay people.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2006, 09:42:03 PM »
My guess is most of his congregation will pray for him.

And i guess the rest of us will wonder why the left takes such glee in outting gay people.



We need them for this , the Furies would do no better job of exposeing an hypocracy than a political opponent .

Without this assistance this twerp might have carried on his charade years more.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2006, 09:57:44 PM »
Is it possible to be gay and be against gay marriage?

I think it is.

Is it possible to preach against sin and yet still be a sinner?

In the quest for perfection, should we demand the questors be perfect?


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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2006, 10:37:15 PM »
Is it possible to be gay and be against gay marriage?

I think it is.

Is it possible to preach against sin and yet still be a sinner?

In the quest for perfection, should we demand the questors be perfect?



You guys never will get it. It isnt the sin, it is the hypocrisy. For example, these creeps claim they dont believe in sex with men, Bill Clinton believed in sex with women.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2006, 11:13:03 PM »

Is it possible to preach against sin and yet still be a sinner?

In the quest for perfection, should we demand the questors be perfect?


When considering the actions of radical fundamentalist, we must always keep in mind, those who sacrifice themself for the good of god, are exalted. The intent of the sacrifice is to create a negative image of gay people in general. If a preacher can get national attention and vilify the so-called gay life style, he has served the purpose of the cult. Election time seemingly bring about an increase in ritual sacrifice. Moral warfare is a deceptive practice indeed


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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2006, 12:42:22 AM »
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. For example, these creeps claim they dont believe in sex with men, Bill Clinton believed in sex with women.

Not sure where you get that. This man apparently believed in sex with men enough to pay for it.

Also not ssure what your reference to Clinton is about. Did you have doubts he was a heterosexual?

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2006, 12:52:49 AM »

Is it possible to preach against sin and yet still be a sinner?

In the quest for perfection, should we demand the questors be perfect?


When considering the actions of radical fundamentalist, we must always keep in mind, those who sacrifice themself for the good of god, are exalted. The intent of the sacrifice is to create a negative image of gay people in general. If a preacher can get national attention and vilify the so-called gay life style, he has served the purpose of the cult. Election time seemingly bring about an increase in ritual sacrifice. Moral warfare is a deceptive practice indeed



One, how is he sacrificing himself for the good of God?  Looks like he was married and cheating on his wife with  a man. That's a sacrifice?
Two, who is being ritually sacrificed--the preacher?
Three, what is moral warfare? Why's it deceptive?
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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2006, 02:03:23 AM »
Wait a minute...

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/evangelical-leader-accused-of-gay-affair/20061102182309990027?ncid=NWS00010000000001



He has not confessed to anything .


He is getting out of the way of an investigation , this could also be a case of false accusation.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2006, 03:06:24 PM »
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. For example, these creeps claim they dont believe in sex with men, Bill Clinton believed in sex with women.

Not sure where you get that. This man apparently believed in sex with men enough to pay for it.

Also not ssure what your reference to Clinton is about. Did you have doubts he was a heterosexual?


 I said he CLAMED he didn't believe in sex with men, but obviously did which makes him a hypocrite like most of the Bible thumpers in the US. Th reference toBill was that he did believe in sex with women for certain. He may have told a fibs about who he was doing , but he wasn't a hypocrit about.
I think this  whole Haggard thing has you totally flustered. You don't know what to believe in anymore. Congrats- that is the first step toward becoming human.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2006, 04:00:32 PM »
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I said he CLAMED he didn't believe in sex with men, but obviously did which makes him a hypocrite like most of the Bible thumpers in the US.

When did he do this?

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I think this  whole Haggard thing has you totally flustered.

I don't see why. His actions don't affect me in the least. You seem to be the judgmental one in this equation.
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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2006, 05:36:05 PM »
He hasn't confessed to monkey-bumping with other guys yet, but he has admitted to this now.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/3/135229/228


BREAKING: Haggard Admits to Buying Meth from Gay Escort!
by pontificator [Subscribe]
Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 12:52:29 PM CST
Boom:


Pastor Ted Haggard came out of his house Friday morning and admitted to 9NEWS that he bought meth from a gay escort in Denver.
Haggard says he bought the meth from a gay escort, 49-year-old Michael Jones, after contacting him for a massage.


There is no question this will have an effect on the November 7 election.  Haggard probably has 95% name recognition among evangelical christians, and 100% name recognition among evangelical christians in Colorado.  These evangelical voters are going to stay home, as they are likely to react with disgust to the hypocrisy of their leaders who tried to get them involved in politics.

pontificator's diary :: ::
Update [2006-11-3 14:28:22 by pontificator]: This is probably a good time to point out the following:


Haggard is a firm supporter of President George W. Bush, and is often credited with rallying evangelicals behind Bush during the 2004 election. Author Jeff Sharlet reports that Haggard "talks to... Bush or his advisers every Monday" and opines that "no pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism."
In a June 2005 Wall Street Journal article, "Ted Haggard, the head of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals, jokes that the only disagreement between himself and the leader of the Western world is automotive: Mr. Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas he prefers a Chevy."


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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2006, 05:37:55 PM »
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I said he CLAMED he didn't believe in sex with men, but obviously did which makes him a hypocrite like most of the Bible thumpers in the US.

>When did he do this?<

Because he is a hypocrite spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E just like must of the holier than though fundies among US.

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I think this  whole Haggard thing has you totally flustered.

>I don't see why. His actions don't affect me in the least. You seem to be the judgmental one in this equation. <

You should.If they turn off 30 million RW whcako fundies enough to keep them at home, you might lose your beloved tax cuts which is really the only thing economic cons care about. Especially now that he has confessed.

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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2006, 06:03:35 PM »
I doubt Haggards downfall will keep voters from the polls.

In fact it could do just the opposite. Perhaps motivate  them to vote for politicians who call for stronger laws against meth dealers and gay escort services.


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Re: I guess the evidence is in.
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2006, 06:31:33 PM »
Whatever, it's just one more exposed lying hypocrit.