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sirs

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Ignorance is indeed bliss
« on: June 10, 2008, 04:38:14 AM »
IIRC, did I not hear wind that Oblather pledges as President, to impose windfall profit taxes on "big oil", in some twisted rationale that it would help rising gas costs.  Please, an Oblather supporter, explain how that's supposed to work

Wasn't that tried before by the last worst president we ever had, Carter?  Did it not have disastrous results?  Did it not cause severe shortages in supply, with specific days you were allowed to take your car in for gas?  Did it not actually raise gas prices, as "big oil" simply passed the added cost onto the consumer?

Apparently Oblather is hoping to pull in that "young demographic" that have no frellin clue how terrible a decision that was 1st go around.  But we'll stick it to "big oil", won't we.  More of that scintillating "judgement" on display, again
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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2008, 03:35:10 PM »
No one wants to defend that one.  Interesting.  Good judgement
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2008, 04:07:20 PM »
Considering I think that the oil companies should be nationalized, I think that windfall taxes are a step in the right the direction.

10 billion dollars is 10 billion dollars.  They held us hostage for it, let's get it back.

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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2008, 04:45:53 PM »
Now putting the irrelevent emotional tangent aside, how does such a tactic
A) reduce the cost of Gasoline?
B) increase the supply of Gasoline?
C) keep costs simply from being transferred to the consumer, by way of HIGHER gasoline prices??
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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2008, 04:47:06 PM »
Now putting the irrelevent emotional tangent aside, how does such a tactic
A) reduce the cost of Gasoline?
B) increase the supply of Gasoline?
C) keep costs simply from being transferred to the consumer, by way of HIGHER gasoline prices??

Whoever said that it does?

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2008, 04:51:05 PM »
So, you have no problem with CarterII, and the disaster to this country economically, the last time it was tried.  Will good, glad we have that on record.  And to really chuck the economy into the abyss, make sure to add UHC
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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2008, 05:05:09 PM »
You don't get it back . The government gets it to do with as it pleases. Perhaps they can increase funding for  studies about increasing the yield of Montana grown dental floss 

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2008, 05:22:33 PM »
So, you have no problem with CarterII, and the disaster to this country economically, the last time it was tried.  Will good, glad we have that on record.  And to really chuck the economy into the abyss, make sure to add UHC

Considering that it was worsened by the ensuing madness of the Reagan deficit years then fixed by the fiscally conservative Clintion years then easily brought to the brink of destruction by the maniacally-oil-loving BushII years, I'll take my chances with the guy that wants to screw the oil companies.

The people you guys should be whining about are the Enron-like speculators who are driving up the cost.  When it all comes out that they were the cause of all this, there will be (and should be) hangings in the streets (as long as we don't care about "innocent till proven guilty").

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 05:25:03 PM »
<<No one wants to defend that one.  Interesting.  Good judgement>>

Higher "windfall profits" taxes on Big Oil are a cop-out solution for fake leftists.  The oil belongs to the people, and the people need to take it back.  A real People's Revolution would Take Back the Oil, that's why nobody is interested in Obama's fake-ass phony solutions that never address the real root of the problem, which is private ownership of national resources.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2008, 05:27:21 PM »
So, you have no problem with CarterII, and the disaster to this country economically, the last time it was tried.  Will good, glad we have that on record.  And to really chuck the economy into the abyss, make sure to add UHC

Considering that it was worsened by the ensuing madness of the Reagan deficit years then fixed by the fiscally conservative Clintion years then easily brought to the brink of destruction by the maniacally-oil-loving BushII years, I'll take my chances with the guy that wants to screw the oil companies.

LOL....gotta love the rewriting of history, and abject ignorance of each President's purse strings, called the House of Representatives.  But at least you're honest with the destruction of the economy you wish to take full root.  And given we'd have a Democrat Majority House....yep, Carter II in full regalia


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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2008, 05:30:25 PM »
<<No one wants to defend that one.  Interesting.  Good judgement>>

Higher "windfall profits" taxes on Big Oil are a cop-out solution for fake leftists.  The oil belongs to the people, and the people need to take it back.  A real People's Revolution would Take Back the Oil, that's why nobody is interested in Obama's fake-ass phony solutions that never address the real root of the problem, which is private ownership of national resources.

Hard to nationalize other countries oil. We are a net importer after all.

Or are you advocating blood for oil?


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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2008, 05:31:55 PM »
Or are you advocating blood for oil?

No, I've advocated moving to entirely different ways of life that don't require oil.

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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2008, 05:52:41 PM »
<<Hard to nationalize other countries oil. >>

Your "President" doesn't seem to find it so hard.

<<We are a net importer after all.>>

Yeah, the key word is "NET."  There's still plenty of oil in the U.S. and the first thing you should start with is nationalizing all the wells, eliminate the profit motive and you might find that more oil can be pumped out of the wells now, when there is no longer a profit-motive incentive to keep prices up by keeping supply down.  And sold cheaper too, now that the profits aren't being skimmed off by guys who "need" a second island in the Caribbean as an essential part of their compensation plan.  In Canada, which is a net exporter of oil, hydroelectric energy and natural gas, it is even more clear that the sources of energy must be taken back by the people.

<<Or are you advocating blood for oil?>>

Not at all, but if the owners try to resist with armed force, I'd say put 'em up against the wall.  Nobody has time for their BS.

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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2008, 05:55:27 PM »
So you would be in favor of drilling in ANWR as long as it was the govt and not some greedy private corporation?




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Re: Ignorance is indeed bliss
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2008, 08:30:00 PM »
So you would be in favor of drilling in ANWR as long as it was the govt and not some greedy private corporation?

No, I'd be in favor of doing away with oil altogether.