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How long have you been married?
« on: June 16, 2008, 09:15:15 AM »
 Lesbian couple of 55 years ready to say 'I do'
By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer


SAN FRANCISCO - Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin fell in love at a time when lesbians risked being arrested, fired from their jobs and sent to electroshock treatment.
 
On Monday, more than a half-century after they became a couple, Lyon and Martin plan to become one of the first same-sex couples to legally exchange marriage vows in California.

"It was something you wanted to know, 'Is it really going to happen?' And now it's happened, and maybe it can continue to happen," Lyon says.

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom plans to officiate at the private ceremony in his City Hall office before 50 invited guests. He picked Martin, 87, and Lyon, 84, for the front of the line in recognition of their long relationship and their status as pioneers of the gay rights movement.

Along with six other women, they founded a San Francisco social club for lesbians in 1955 called the Daughters of Bilitis. Under their leadership, it evolved into the nation's first lesbian advocacy organization. They have the FBI files to prove it.

Their ceremony Monday will, in fact, be a marriage do-over.

In February 2004, San Francisco's new mayor decided to challenge California's marriage laws by issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. His advisers and gay rights activists knew right away which couple would put the most compelling human face on the issue: Martin and Lyon.

Back then, the couple planned to celebrate their 51st anniversary as live-in lovers on Valentine's Day. Because of their work with the Daughters, they also were icons in the gay community.

"Four years ago, when they agreed to be married, it was in equal parts to support the mayor and to support the idea that lesbians and gay people formed committed relationships and should have those relationships respected," says Kate Kendell, a close friend and executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Lyon and Martin vividly recall the excitement of being secretly swept into the clerk's office, saying "I do" in front of a tiny group of city staff members and friends, and then being rushed out of the building. There were no corsages, no bottles of champagne. Afterward they went to lunch, just the two of them, at a restaurant run as a job training program for participants in a substance abuse program.

"Of course, nobody down there knew, so we were left to be by ourselves like we wanted to be," said Martin, the less gregarious of the two. "Then we came home."

"And watched TV," adds Lyon.

The privacy was short-lived. Their wedding portrait, showing the couple cradling each other in pastel-colored pantsuits with their foreheads tenderly touching, drew worldwide attention.

Same-sex marriage would become legal in Massachusetts in another three months, but San Francisco's calculated act of civil disobedience drove the debate.

In the month that followed, more than 4,000 other couples followed Martin and Lyon down the aisle before a judge acting on petitions brought by gay marriage opponents halted the city's spree.

The state Supreme Court ultimately voided the unions, but the women were among the two dozen couples who served as plaintiffs in the lawsuits that led the same court last month to overturn California's ban on gay marriage.

They were having their morning coffee when Lyon heard the news on the radio. She rushed across the house to embrace Martin. Not long after, Newsom called to offer congratulations and to ask if they would be willing to be at the forefront yet again.

"Sure," was the answer they gave.

The couple, who live in the same San Francisco house they bought in 1956, do not get out much now. Martin needs a wheelchair to get around. Although they plan to briefly greet well-wishers at City Hall after the ceremony, they are having a private reception for friends and family.

"It's so endearing because they do seem excited and a little bit nervous," Kendell says. "It's like the classic feelings anyone has as their wedding day approaches."

Because a few other clerk's offices agreed to stay open until the court's decision becomes final at 8 p.m. EDT, other couples planning late afternoon weddings may already have tied the knot before the mayor pronounces Lyon and Martin "spouses for life."

They don't mind. They know they already are.

"We get along well," Lyon said. "And we love each other."

"I love you, too," Martin said.

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Re: How long have you been married?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 12:46:10 PM »
There's going to be an amendment to the California Constition banning homosexual marriage on the ballot in the fall.

It'll pass.

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 01:19:06 PM »
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"..... but San Francisco's calculated act of civil disobedience drove the debate."




I suspect Republican agent provocateurs.


It is so well timed to come up in the path of the election.

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 01:26:20 PM »
>>It is so well timed to come up in the path of the election.<<

Exactly. I'm surprised the communist left isn't screaming foul at California.

I'll be the first: THANK YOU CALIFORNIA!

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 03:07:33 PM »
10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. I mean we do have a list somewhere where they list everything that is natural too... if we could find that list we'll broadcast it on CNN!!!

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
I don't believe all that. Some of it, but homosexuals aren't necessarily bad people. Some of them are pretty twisted. A fair amount in fact. To be fair, I don't believe a marriage performed by a judge is valid anyway. So unless and until the state tries to form Churches to perform these types of "marriages," I don't really give a damn. Call yourself married if it makes you feel better.

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 03:23:03 PM »
Evidently you missed the sarcasm that was the basis for the list.

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 09:04:39 PM »
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0B621214-5565-41F9-AC21-1C1FDB5437D2.htm


International laws
 
Holland was the first country to allow gay marriages in April 2001, followed by Belgium in June 2003, Canada and Spain in July 2005.
 
South Africa was the first African country to legalise same-sex marriage after it passed the Civil Union Act in 2006.
 
But many other countries reject any kind of union between homosexuals, usually on religious grounds.
 
The Australian government passed legislation in 2004 that defined marriage as "a union between a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others".
 
In India, homosexuality is an offence punishable by a life sentence in prison, and same-sex marriages are also prohibited in China and Russia.

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 09:24:28 PM »
Sarcasm?

Ridiculous maybe. Those are the talking points used by homosexuals when attacking anyone who disagrees with homosexual marriage. Aren't they?

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Re: How long have you been married?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 09:44:02 PM »
I don't believe a marriage performed by a judge is valid anyway

how about non-christian marraiges?
do you think children of couples married by a judge are illegitimate?

I really like to know
the reason is for years I`ve brought up the subject that catholics used to think the only valid marraige was done by a catholic priest and somehow people just didn`t know this.
despite so many movies and tv shows stated this.

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 12:42:57 AM »
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To be fair, I don't believe a marriage performed by a judge is valid anyway.

You may not believe they are valid, but they are legal. In fact, my wife and I were married by a notary public, which is legal in Florida.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 06:11:38 AM »
There's going to be an amendment to the California Constition banning homosexual marriage on the ballot in the fall.

It'll pass.

So you and hatemongering Mike Savage keep saying but the Constitution keeps disagreeing with your hate and xenophobia.

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 10:42:49 AM »
>>So you and hatemongering Mike Savage keep saying but the Constitution keeps disagreeing with your hate and xenophobia.<<

I'd just like to point out that once again I'm being called names by someone and I didn't say a word to them.

Anyway ... I don't live in California you asshole. We amended the Ohio Constitution to prohibit such nonsense. So the Constitution says you're wrong and I'm right.

But that goes without saying.

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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 11:03:46 AM »
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0B621214-5565-41F9-AC21-1C1FDB5437D2.htm


International laws
 
Holland was the first country to allow gay marriages in April 2001, followed by Belgium in June 2003, Canada and Spain in July 2005.
 
South Africa was the first African country to legalise same-sex marriage after it passed the Civil Union Act in 2006.
 
But many other countries reject any kind of union between homosexuals, usually on religious grounds.
 
The Australian government passed legislation in 2004 that defined marriage as "a union between a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others".
 
In India, homosexuality is an offence punishable by a life sentence in prison, and same-sex marriages are also prohibited in China and Russia.

So let me get this straight.  International opinion has no bearing when we as a nation decide to go to war.  It has no bearing when it comes to our incarceration rate.  It has no bearing when it comes to our use of the death penalty.  It has no bearing when it comes to coming to a consensus for global warming.  Am I right so far?

But it most certainly does have bearing when it comes to same sex marriage?  Which is it?
And the irony of your use of an Al-Jazeera article to make your point didn't escape me.

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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2008, 11:08:31 AM »
>>You may not believe they are valid, but they are legal. In fact, my wife and I were married by a notary public, which is legal in Florida.<<

I thought I was clear on this. Of course they're legal. I have no power nor would I want to make them illegal. On the other hand, the Catholic Church doesn't recognize them. That's all I'm saying. So for me, a marriage must be done by a Catholic priest, a rabbi, or a Protestant pastor to mean anything.