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Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« on: June 19, 2008, 04:40:13 PM »
Obama opts out of public campaign finance system

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
6/19/08


WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday he'll bypass the federal public financing system in the general election, abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.
 
Obama, who set records raising money in the primary election, will forgo more than $84 million that would have been available to him in the general election. He would be the first candidate to do so since Congress passed 1970s post-Watergate campaign finance laws. Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee in waiting, has taken steps to accept the public funds in the general election.

Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign. Obama has vastly outraised McCain, however, and would likely retain that advantage as McCain said he would most likely remain under the limits of the federal financing plan but had not made a final decision.

"It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections," Obama told supporters in a video message Thursday. "But the public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system."

Shortly after revealing the decision, Obama's campaign announced his first television ad of the general election campaign ? a 60-second commercial to air in 18 states. The ad, called "Country I Love," is a biographical portrait that aims to reintroduce Obama to voters by stressing his mother's family's roots.

Obama has shattered presidential campaign fundraising records, raking in more than $265 million as of the end of April. Of that, nearly $10 million was for the general election. McCain, on the other hand had raised nearly $115 million by the end of May,

But Obama's clear financial advantage over McCain is offset in part by the resources of the Republican National Committee, which has far more money in the bank than the Democratic National Committee. Both national parties can spend money on behalf of the presidential candidates.

In Iowa, McCain criticized his rival for backtracking, reminding reporters that Obama "said he would stick to his word. He didn't." The Republican candidate added, "This election is about a lot of things. It's also about trust. It's about keeping your word."

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

"And we've already seen that he's not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Obama campaign lawyer Robert Bauer said he had met with McCain lawyers to discuss terms for both campaigns operating in the public financing system, but he said they could not agree on how to limit spending by the campaigns and outside groups heading into the late summer party conventions.

He said McCain has had an advantage because he has been running unopposed since he secured the Republican nomination early this year. "The important thing is that John McCain has been running a privately financed campaign for the general election since February," Bauer said. "The problem from our perspective is that the horse is long gone from the barn here."

Despite Obama's claim that outside groups allied with McCain will spend millions of dollars against him, few Republican-leaning groups have weighed into the presidential contest so far. In fact, Obama allies such as MoveOn.org are the ones have been spending money on advertising against McCain.

McCain and Obama both declined public financing in the primary contests, thus avoiding the spending limits that come attached to the money. McCain had initially applied for the money, however, and has been in a dispute with the Federal Election Commission over whether he needs commission approval to decline the primary election funds. The FEC insists that he does, but has not had a quorum to act because four of its six seats have been vacant pending Senate confirmation of presidential nominees. McCain lawyers have disputed the need for FEC approval.

Fred Wertheimer, president of the campaign finance watchdog group Democracy 21, said he was "disappointed" in Obama's decision. "We do not agree with Senator Obama's rationale for opting out of the system," he said. "Senator Obama knew the circumstances surrounding the presidential general election when he made his public pledge to use the system."

The public finance system is paid for with the $3 contributions that taxpayers can make to the presidential fund in their tax returns.

Last year, both Obama and McCain indicated in separate commitments that they would participate in the public system for the general election, as long as both candidates agreed.

In response to a questionnaire in November from the Midwest Democracy Network, which is made up of nonpartisan government oversight groups, Obama said: "Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

While presidential candidates have rejected public financing in primaries, no major party candidate has bypassed the system in the general election.

McCain has already aired two general election ads in at least 11 states, spending about $2 million a week over the past three weeks.

Obama's new ad is his first and expands the field of potential battleground states to include states that have reliably voted for Republican presidential candidates in the past several elections, including Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Montana, and North Dakota.

"I was raised by a single mom and my grandparents," Obama says in the ad. "We didn't have much money, but they taught me values straight from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. I'll never forget those values, and if I have the honor of taking the oath of office as President, it will be with a deep and abiding faith in the country I love."


Let's watch the latest round of Obama cool-aide drinking rationalizations
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 04:58:04 PM »
Well, I gotta say, I'm totally against this but I'm really not surprised.

It's a real disappointment and liberal sites are going with the slant that it was the right thing to do but my opinion is that he should have stayed in regardless.

I wish there was some way of making the changes to the system without involving the lawmakers because their handlers and advisors will NEVER advise the candidates for offices to opt in.  For if they were to do so, it would mean they would make a lot less money.

No doubt McCain will be opting out in a week or three once everyone decides they don't care.

It is a cop out.  It is the first real decision by the Obama campaign that I have found disappointing.  So, since I started supporting Obama back in April, I have approved of him 100%.  Now, my approval of him is at 97%.

By no means does this indicate to me that he is "just another politician".  I still him as vastly more honorable than most I have seen and approved.


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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 05:13:01 PM »
Well, I gotta say, I'm totally against this but I'm really not surprised.

Of course not........he's your standard politican, saying what he need to say to garner votes from the coolaide drinkers, and doing what he has to do to garner more money than his opponent, regardless of what he says

In other words, same 'ol, same 'ol
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 05:15:12 PM »
Is this any different than McCain reneging on his offshore drilling stance?

I'm not saying that I agree with either example, but it just looks to me like politics as usual.

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 05:18:27 PM »
Of course not........he's your standard politican, saying what he need to say to garner votes from the coolaide drinkers, and doing what he has to do to garner more money than his opponent, regardless of what he says

In other words, same 'ol, same 'ol

On this point, I would disagree with you.  I know you want him to appear  to be exactly McCain truly is but this is simply not true.  I'm still convinced that Obama is someone who truly wants to make the country better and will make a great president.

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 05:24:32 PM »
Is this any different than McCain reneging on his offshore drilling stance?

Nope


I'm not saying that I agree with either example, but it just looks to me like politics as usual.

Yep



I know you want him to appear  to be exactly McCain truly is but this is simply not true. 

You're right....McCain has actually WORKED with Democrats, has actually COMPROMISED with Democrats, has actually voted AGAINST Republican proposals & legislation, while sponsorong bipartisan legislation with Democrats.


I'm still convinced that Obama is someone who truly wants to make the country better and will make a great president.

Cool aide must be pleasantly chilled
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 05:31:25 PM »
If one wants to be president and make the changes he thinks need to be made, he must first be elected. This suggests that he needs to take every legal advantage that he can. He is better at raising money than McCain, and his ability to get his message out is more important than is McCain's.

Many people are predisposed to vote for someone they consider a war herpo, just as they are indisposed to vote for a Black man. Getting out Obama's message is crucial.

After all, if he isn't elected, he will make no changes. No one gets two shots at the presidency, or at least no one has since Adlai Stevenson.
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 07:58:43 PM »
If one wants to be president and make the changes he thinks need to be made, he must first be elected. This suggests that he needs to take every legal advantage that he can. He is better at raising money than McCain, and his ability to get his message out is more important than is McCain's.


I heartily disagree with this.  Yes, Obama can outraise McCain but that is no excuse for rejecting public financing.  In fact, it is actually the opportunity for him to prove that he can make the system WORK.   Don't give me this "the system is broken" shit.

If/when he is president, I will email, call and fax the White House monthly to get him to do something about this system that is allegedly "broken".

In order to take the money out of politics, someone is going to have to run and win without taking public money. OR they will have to lose after having spent only a fraction of what the winner spent.

What will happen when the publicly financed candidate loses is, at first, people will be screaming for public financing to be abolished or FORCE everyone to be publicly financed so that no candidate can buy the office.  The Right will freak out that they won't be able to buy any more offices but hey, tough titties.

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 08:29:10 PM »
".... and his ability to get his message out is more important than is McCain's.

...

Getting out Obama's message is crucial."


What is his message?

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 10:17:49 PM »
Haven't you heard?.....Change
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 11:33:22 PM »
Obama's message is get out of Iraq as soon as possible, quite giving huge tax breaks for the rich and superrich, provide decent medical care for everyone, have an actual energy policy, stop raping the environment, and monger o more useless wars.

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What will happen when the publicly financed candidate loses is, at first, people will be screaming for public financing to be abolished or FORCE everyone to be publicly financed so that no candidate can buy the office.  The Right will freak out that they won't be able to buy any more offices but hey, tough titties.

No, what will happen is precisely nothing.

When Gore won the popular vote and the supremely incompetent Juniorbush still got selected because of the stupid Electoral College, was there even an amendment written to change it?

Wouldn't you rather have a President Obama elected without public money instead of a President McCain elected with tons of 527 swiftboat ad crap?

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 05:29:03 AM »


Wouldn't you rather have a President Obama elected without public money instead of a President McCain elected with tons of 527 swiftboat ad crap?




No .

What Swift boat ad?

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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 05:49:51 AM »
No .

What Swift boat ad?
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Just wait and see. There will be 527 ads and they will be nasty.
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 07:42:42 AM »
Just wait and see. There will be 527 ads and they will be nasty.

Since the FEC heavily fined several of them after the 2004 election, there were very few for the 2006 one (and those were almost all Democratic leaning groups).

I foresee very few moving forward.
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do (revisited)
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 08:11:09 AM »
Since the FEC heavily fined several of them after the 2004 election, there were very few for the 2006 one (and those were almost all Democratic leaning groups).

I foresee very few moving forward.


Pffft.  Dude, surely you understand that these people view the fines as part of the budget.  Surely, by now, you understand that.  Right?