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sirs

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The Race Card
« on: June 24, 2008, 05:14:46 PM »
And I'm really interested in Fat's & Prince's perspective on this as they are mutual bashers, and not such partisans like myself.....

....Remember when Bill Clinton, during Hillary's campaign brought up the point how Obama's camp was playing the race card, and has been largely thru-out the primaries?  When the GOP or conservatives bring up Obama's consistently egregious issues on judgement, especially in the associations he's maintained for decades, Obama's camp and liberal pundits decry "race", decry "racial intolerance", decry "race baiting & devisive", never one of course citing any specific examples of anyone referencing anyone else's color of skin

YET

You hear Liberal Pundiots, Democrats, and Obama supporters consistently reference race in their commentary, consistently reference the evils of what the white man as wrought, consistently imply how the GOP and/or south = KKK.  Not a peep of criticism, much less condemnation from the MSM, or even a questioning of such tactics.  Fits nicely into Pooch's accurate deductions on what the MSM will and won't cover.  Just the other day I heard Obama himself at some rally the other day, citing how the GOP is planning to attack him "......They'll say, he's too young, too inexperienced, his name sounds funny....oh, and by the way, he's black"

You think ANY Republican would get away with that, and not be appropriately raked over the coals, by the media??
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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 05:41:30 PM »
Racism is racism, whether it's against whites, blacks, asians, or martians.  While I disagree with you as to how important the Wright controversy was, when it comes to Wright himself, he's a racist.  If he had been giving his sermons 50 years ago, I might have a different opinion of the matter.  At that point the white man (at least some of them in any case) were denying blacks the right to vote, to a decent education, etc.  I don't have any sympathy today though, when schools are still using race to admit a higher percentage of blacks with lower grades/SAT scores (and yes I know that they're not supposed to be doing that anymore, but it's going on down at the University of Washington, so I would assume it is happening at other campuses as well).  I do think that there are residual elements of racism in society, whether it just from people who grew up in a different time with different values, to the guy that would be horrified to see a black man at a country club, to the redneck that thinks that those uppity ni$$ers should learn their place.  I've met all three people.  The question, and the divergence of opinion (I think) is rooted in what to do about it.  Legislate against it, a la Germany?  Enact hate crime laws?  One factor I would like to point out is CU4's recent reference to Obama's upbringing, whether it was Moslem or not.  While I don't know that I would classify this as racism, it's certainly a something-ism.  For CU4, the issue wasn't whether or not Obama's upbringing was relevant, but how it could be used to paint him negatively.  I realize that this is probably an extreme minority of conservatives, but it illustrates my point as to how people use racism and/or ignorance to further their own agendas.  And I think that this goes on on both sides of the aisle.  A long winded ramble to a rather simple question I know, but my fingers are in the mood today for some reason.

As for the second part of your query:  I've seen what you're speaking of and I think that your complaint is valid.  In an earlier post in a different thread, I spoke about the means becoming the ends, and I think that's what you're seeing here when liberals call conservatives racists (I think this is more of a liberal vs. conservative issue than Dem vs. Rep, but that's just my perception).  The liberals have become so tied to their programs (which are well meaning) that they have begun to use those programs to identify themselves.  Any cut or reduction in those programs equates to a cut or reduction in their perception of self, so they immediately cry "RACIST".  What they don't realize though, is that they're like the boy crying wolf, and one day when there is a REAL racist threat, their warning will have little effectiveness.  The other side to this point of view is that some conservatives are racists or at least pander to racists or prejudiced notions.  It isn't monopolized by either ideology.  Both ideologies have had good ideas and have done things in regard to civil rights and race relations.  The liberals, by enforcing the Constitution, enacting Civil Rights legislation, and enforcing desegregation in Jim Crow South in the 50's.  The conservatives, by ending affirmative action quotas (which allow blacks to better themselves through competition rather than through entitlement), and working to end preferences in housing and welfare that create a false sense of entitlement.  As I said, both have their pluses and minuses.

Would the media let a Republican get away with it?  I hope not.  I would hope that the media would call it whenever it happens regardless of ideology.  But the cynic in me says that it's better that they catch one side on it than let both slide.  It's wrong and a bit messed up I know, but that's my cynical side.  Ideally though, it would be pointed out whenever it happened.

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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 05:58:14 PM »
Great response Fat, and while we will disagree on the importance of Obama's long term relationships with folks that even you concede some are racist, it should be pointed out whenever it happens.  and it's not cynacism, so much as it is reality I'm afraid Fat.  Democrats will pose accusation after accusation after accusation of some GOP/Conservative/RW racist comment, yet its the Democrat side of the isle that provides us example after example after example of precisely that type of racist commentary, devisiveness, and race-baiting. 

I mean, it doesn't get much worse than those Dem commercials citing James Byrd's daughter reliving her father's death because Bush didn't support Hate Crimes Legislation (He did support the Death Penalty, which I'm not sure how hate crimes legislation would have made their punishment any worse), or that Democrat radio commercial citing if you vote for another Republican, another black church will burn.  That's about as racially devisive as one can get.  NOT to say there aren't racists on the far right, but the Dems pull this garbage routinely, while accusing the GOP of it.
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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 06:04:22 PM »
Ya gotta believe in Karma sirs, you just gotta.

When I was writing my response though, I had a thought and I've been thinking it over and haven't come any closer to an answer.  The thought is this:  While we both agree that there are elements of racism in the Democratic Party (both parties admittedly, but the Dem party for making this point), why is it that they attract large amounts of minority voters?  Is it because people want to be coddled?  Like I said, it was a thought to which I have no answer to.

You might be surprised at how many gays vote Republican.  It's not a self-loathing thing, and not all (I'm not even sure most) Republicans are social conservatives.  I think a lot of it is because gays have realized that Dems are paying lip service to gay rights but aren't doing anything, and they're more willing to put their support behind a Republican that will at least support civil unions and equal rights.  What I'm curious about though is why is it only gays that do this, or is it?

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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 06:26:36 PM »
What I'm curious about though is why is it only gays that do this, or is it?

No, it's pretty much only male homosexuals. Female homosexuals and most other minorities still support the Democrats, even though they've seen that Democrats mostly provide only lip service, and have for many years. They've been convinced that if they don't support Democrats, they're just throwing their vote away.
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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 06:35:10 PM »
Ah, I left lesbians out of the equation (I am prone to doing that).

What could be changed to make such people see that they aren't throwing their vote away by voting Republican or 3rd party?

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Re: The Race Card
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 06:51:11 PM »
<<What could be changed to make such people see that they aren't throwing their vote away by voting Republican or 3rd party?>>

Let's see . . .   they could,

1.  Renounce all attempts to amend the Constitution by defining marriage as a man-woman thing;
2.  Give up forever the use of the phrase "family values"  and "the homosexual agenda,"
3.  Quit lumping homosexuality and lesbianism with pedophilia, bestiality and child molestation.

for starters.