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« on: July 14, 2008, 03:12:18 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1328838620080713?rpc=64&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10215

now for a real discussion.
what are the ways to take advantage of these situations
true it may seem unethical
but we`re just talking
talking is ok

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Re: bottom feeding
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 03:16:56 PM »
Invest a little in the bank you think will recover best?

They may have a severe shakeout , but they certainly won't all die , the survivors will be in high clover sometime.

Buy Real estate where the seller is distressed , risk is that you will inherit tyhe distress.

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 04:24:34 PM »
well
I did get BofA
it`s divendend is quite high
gonna get at leat 11% from it

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 10:02:40 PM »
We need to make a good guess about what the market for houses will be like in six months or a year , or what ever time horizon you like to use.

In Six Months we will be in the middle of severe blamecasting as the political game of musical oval office climbs a crechendo. I expect shakey markets ,high commoditys and many investors acting defensive.

In a year we will be in the honeymoon period of a new president , it is very tipical to have a bull market and calm investors in that period.

Non political effects are less predictable.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 12:33:40 AM »
it`s a exciting time to me
nothing is written in stone anymore.
it`s not at easy anymore know  what`s realiable nowadays.
I like it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 04:10:57 PM »
Is it your plan to buy shares in the Bank of America on the theory that they have become underpriced due to the loan crisis, and then are likely to soar?

Have you researched this much?

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 04:22:37 PM »
I'd be interested in your take on the WAMU stock XO.  It fell 35% yesterday, so I bought $5K worth this morning, because they're saying that they're above the regulatory minimums in everything.  From what I've seen, it's just investor panic and I don't think that Washington Mutual will actually fail.

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 04:33:46 PM »
nah
I bought it for the dividend

it`s too early to expect it to bottom out now
and I find it kinda risky
but that doesn`t mean what I did has no risk also
but I only put my rebate money on it.
so my loss is very little
I love researching all of this.
somehow my minor interest of trivia translate well for researching.
looking at latest developements and rumors of companies
not that much different from movie trivia
but I know way more on movies than I`ll ever will on stocks.
if you got tips on where to research I`ll be more than happy to take it.
what I find kinda strange though is not how little people know about investment.
but how they go about it.
I literally have to leave the room on some of the ideas people have.
it`s so bad

WAMU is definately the one to watch now.FM

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 09:36:15 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/wall-street-socialism_b_112940.html



 "...Last year, for example, the Chair of Freddie Mac took home a cool $18,289,575.
Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd reaped a 7 percent rise in pay to $13.4 million in 2007 while the company lost $2/1 billion and its shared fell 33%. Nice work if you can get it. ..."


"...former St. Louis Federal Reserve President William Poole, one and possibly both would be bankrupt if their assets were marked down to their current market value.

So now the Bush administration proposes to make the federal guarantee explicit and even to offer taxpayer money to help recapitalize the two banks if needed. Everything has been nationalized -- except the profits and the pay scales of the bank's executives.

That's right. If the guarantees work, private speculators, having driven the stock down, will clean up on the upside. And the bank's CEO's will continue to pocket the multi-million dollar salaries that are de rigueur on Wall Street. Call it Wall Street socialism. Their losses are socialized; their profits are pocketed. You and I will pay for their failures. And if conservatives have their way, their families will pocket their successes, without even having to pay a tax for the transfer of the estates we've helped to create.
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Re: bottom feeding
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2008, 01:43:03 PM »
with all this going on
is it still possible for about to be hired execs to get these no-fault contracts ?

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2008, 03:00:38 PM »
So now the Bush administration proposes to make the federal guarantee explicit and even to offer taxpayer money to help recapitalize the two banks if needed. Everything has been nationalized -- except the profits and the pay scales of the bank's executives.

That's right. If the guarantees work, private speculators, having driven the stock down, will clean up on the upside. And the bank's CEO's will continue to pocket the multi-million dollar salaries that are de rigueur on Wall Street. Call it Wall Street socialism. Their losses are socialized; their profits are pocketed. You and I will pay for their failures. And if conservatives have their way, their families will pocket their successes, without even having to pay a tax for the transfer of the estates we've helped to create.
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Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are private companies.
The way capitalism is supposed to work is that a company takes a risk, and if they succeed in overcoming that risk, they make a profit. If not, they go down and eat their losses.

Now Juniorbush and his cronies are not real capitalist: they only play them on teevee, because here they expect us, the taxpayers, to take the hit and guarantee these clowns their profit, no doubt also allowing their execs to continue reaping their high salaries which I suggets they do not deserve, being as their poor choices lost money for their companies.


I don;t know what Obama would do, but it seems idiotic to bail these guys out. At the very least, the government should take them over, perhaps just for a brief reorganization period, and then throw the rascals out. Anyone who bought stock starting today should not get more than his money back and a slap on the wrist.
 
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Re: bottom feeding
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2008, 03:50:14 PM »
Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are private companies.
The way capitalism is supposed to work is that a company takes a risk, and if they succeed in overcoming that risk, they make a profit. If not, they go down and eat their losses.

Freddie and Fannie are "pseudo-government" corporations, similar to the Post Office.
Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. (Benjamin Franklin)

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 07:16:31 PM »
Freddie and Fannie are "pseudo-government" corporations, similar to the Post Office.

They are far less governmentally controlled than the postoffice. Investigate this and you will find it to be true.
Regardless of what they are, it would be best for at least a few heads to roll, and for speculators not to make out like bandits at the public expense.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 07:38:00 PM »
this is the interesting part
if it was just the supposedly not too bright minorities stuck with these very bad debts ,of course they should sink without help.
but it`s the highly educated and extremely connected lenders who are in trouble.
and it`s the kind of trouble that effects the whole country,so bailout is gonna be highly possible for the good of the country.

I stated minorities because they were the primary target for the loans,since they are more likely not question the details and the discrimination lawsuit doesn`t hurt also.

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Re: bottom feeding
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2008, 10:27:54 AM »
If you had bought GM or Ford at the very bottom and sold now, you would have made a nice profit.
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