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Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« on: July 16, 2008, 01:38:49 PM »
from today's Juan Cole website (www.juancole.com)

<<Wednesday, July 16, 2008
<<Bombs Kill 40, Wound Dozens;
<<Al-Duri Calls for Continued Resistance;
 . . . .

<<Guerrillas launched a series of bombing campaigns in the eastern mixed province of Diyala and in the northern city of Mosul on Tuesday, killing at least 40 and wounding dozens. In Diyala, recruiting stations for security forces were hit, as potential recruits lined up. In Mosul, likewise, the targest were Iraqi security forces. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki had sent the new Iraqi army up to Mosul, where it is encountering heavy resistance in the form of bombings and sniping from Sunni Arab guerrillas, some of them apparently neo-Baathists. Diyala is violent and the government is saying that it will send troops there, too.

<<McClatchy reports that local Iraqis interpret the attacks as jockeying for position in the upcoming provincial elections. The election of legitimate Sunni-majority provincial governments could undermine a key propaganda point of the guerrillas, which is that Iraq's government is a Shiite/Kurdish Iranian puppet that also is in Washington's back pocket.

<<Former vice president of Iraq Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri, called on Iraqi guerrillas to drive the US out of the country on Tuesday. Duri's cell and other Baathists in the north have been one important source of Iraq's violence, but the press tends to ignore the neo-Baath in favor of Muslim fundamentalists.>>

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This looks like a positive development in the war against foreign occupation, since the Ba'ath party is secular and can certainly attract secular Shi'ites.  This would be the same combination of forces utilized by Saddam to suppress the religious elements of both the Sunni and the Shi'ites and force a secular socialist regime on the country with all of the usual Socialist benefits to be found in a resource-rich country (free education from JK through grad school, free medical care, independent foreign policy and total control over the people's natural resources with none of the profits siphoned off by foreign exploitation.) 

If a neo-Ba'athist Party gets its shit together, the current alliance of bought-off local sheikhs probably won't stand a chance - - they're just local thugs operating purely on the profit motive and no match for the discipline of a hard-core socialist movement and its highly motivated and disciplined hit teams.  Same applies to the Shi'ite militia - - punk fanatics willing to die for God, but sorely lacking in the organization of a disciplined Communist movement.  The current "Awakening" Sunni leaders seem to have been primarily organized against the relatively tiny al Qaeda in Iraq movement, but once they start to see who they're really up against now, there could be a sharp and sudden fall-off in their energy and initiative in promoting the occupation agenda.

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 01:05:53 AM »
Is a group whose main campaining tecnique is blasting crouds with bombs going to really get popular?

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 10:30:22 AM »
In that part of the world, it depends on whose crowd you blast.

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 05:58:57 PM »
we heard the same crap about Sadr who got his
ass kicked and the toothless wonder now hides
with his tail between his legs!

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 11:52:13 PM »
<< . . . and the toothless wonder now hides
with his tail between his legs!>>

LOL.  Well, I guess that's one way of putting it.  Another might be that the savvy street fighter and his men are lying low,  waiting for the inevitable American pull-out and biding their time.

I'm not all that sure that's a tail between his legs, either.

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 02:34:40 PM »
"Another might be that the savvy street fighter and his men are lying low, 
waiting for the inevitable American pull-out and biding their time"


yeah and another might be to claim you're "laying low" as a way to cover your
ass and pretend all is ok because you got slaughtered and got your ass kicked!
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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 04:48:30 PM »
Doesn't Baath party sound like a lot of fun?

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 05:35:57 PM »
<<yeah and another might be to claim you're "laying low" as a way to cover your
ass and pretend all is ok because you got slaughtered and got your ass kicked!>>

Well, to a dumb schmuck like me, either explanation of the phenomenon looks equally plausible.  Maybe they're laying low, building strength for "der Tag," and maybe they got their ass kicked and are in hiding.

But I guess a REAL "terrorism" expert like yourself has got it all figured out by now, haven't you?  Tell me, what was it that tipped you off that the latter explanation was the correct one and not the former?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 07:21:34 PM »
So, does talking smack about a militia leader thousands of miles away from the comfort of your suburban home make one feel...erm, what exactly?
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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 09:24:06 PM »
"So, does talking smack about a militia leader thousands of miles away from
the comfort of your suburban home make one feel...erm, what exactly?"


so does talking smack on message boards on your nice personal computer
about other's world views from the comfort of your nice western world
home make one feel...erm warm? while millions of human beings/children
starve and die horrible deaths from aids/disease in the 3rd world/Africa
and elsewhere when you could be in those places directly helping those
people but choose not to, and then attempt to play "high horse"
that you are some fraud higher moral horse than others when
you dont even follow what you claim to believe in so strongly?

yeah JS it's more important to be here on a message board
than lending a hand to these human beings!



i dont attack your views on a personal level until you use the lame
approach that Nancy Pelosi cant talk about poverty unless she
is actually down in the trenches in a soup kitchen. before
condemning or attacking others on a personal level because
they discuss policy without actually living the policy you should
look in your own miror! you claim to follow Christ, but sit in
a message board while people are starving! yeah you really
have room to talk!  ::)



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Re: Possible Ba'ath Party Revival in Sunni Iraq
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2008, 10:37:42 PM »
Not a helluva lot that _JS can do about Darfur, CU4.  Far as I can tell, your "President" - - yeah, George Bush, the guy who figured out that Iraq, coincidentally the possessor of the world's second-largest proven oil reserves, desperately needed "regime change" and "democracy" - - hasn't seen fit to bestir himself over the plight of Darfur.  If I didn't know the man better, I'd say that he doesn't give a shit.