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Stevens indicted
« on: July 29, 2008, 03:07:19 PM »
Alaska Senator Is Indicted on Corruption Charges
By DAVID STOUT and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

WASHINGTON ? Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, the longest-serving Republican senator in United States history and a figure of great influence in Washington as well as in his home state, has been indicted on federal corruption charges.

Mr. Stevens, 84, was indicted on seven counts of falsely reporting income. The charges are related to renovations on his home and to gifts he has received. They arise from an investigation that has been under way for more than a year, in connection with the senator?s relationship with a businessman who oversaw the home-remodeling project.

The indictment will surely reverberate through the November elections. Mr. Stevens, who has been in the Senate for 40 years, is up for re-election this year. Mark Begich, a popular Democratic mayor of Anchorage, hopes to supplant him.

The Justice Department scheduled a news conference for Tuesday afternoon to announce the indictment.

Republicans on Capitol Hill were already jittery over a lobbying and influence-peddling scandal related to the lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is now in prison. Mr. Stevens?s troubles are not linked to that affair. Instead, they stem from his ties to an oil executive whose company won millions of dollars in federal contracts with the help of Mr. Stevens, whose home in Alaska was almost doubled in size in the renovation project.

Mr. Stevens is a former chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and he is still on the panel. As chairman, he wielded huge influence, and did not hesitate to use it to steer money and projects to his state.

?No other senator fills so central a place in his state?s public and economic life as Ted Stevens of Alaska,? the Almanac of American Politics says. ?Quite possibly, no other senator ever has.?

Mr. Stevens, one of only a handful of World War II veterans left in the Senate, grew up in Indiana and California and moved to Alaska in 1950, before it was a state, according to the political almanac. He first ran for the Senate in 1962, losing to Ernest Gruening, a Democrat. He was appointed to fill a vacant seat in the Senate in 1968 by the governor at the time, Walter Hickel, and has been re-elected six times since then.

Word spread through the Capitol like an electric current, prompting whispers among senators and staff. The Democrats were gathering in a room near the Senate chamber for their weekly conference lunch. Republicans, meanwhile, moved their lunch to the headquarters of the Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, a common change of venue when the primary topic of discussion is politics.

Mr. Stevens is seen as a legendary, even heroic, figure in Alaska, who played a crucial role in its achievement of statehood, which became official in 1959. According to Senate Republican rules, Mr. Stevens will have to give up his leadership positions, which include some hugely powerful posts, as the senior Republican on the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee and the defense appropriations subcommittee.

The long-running federal corruption investigation in Alaska has been hanging over Mr. Stevens as he faces his toughest re-election context in many years. Mr. Begich was expected to mount a strong challenge even before word of the indictment spread.

Alaska, which last elected a Democratic senator in 1974, is one of several seemingly unlikely states where Democrats believe they have a strong chance of pulling off upset victories in the November elections.

The indictment comes nearly a year after federal agents raided Mr. Stevens?s home as part of a continuing investigation into corruption that had already ensnared the senator?s son, Ben Stevens, who was then president of the State Senate.

Though lawmakers have been aware of the Justice Department inquiry for some time, the news of an indictment still came as something of a shock this week, as both houses of Congress are trying to wrap up legislative business before the monthlong August recess.

Senator Daniel Inouye, Democrat of Hawaii, who is the chairman of the defense appropriations subcommittee and a friend of Mr. Stevens, said that ?he is innocent until proven guilty.? Mr. Inouye said he did not expect that the indictment would interfere with Senator Stevens?s ability to work in the Senate.

Other lawmakers, including Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, the chairwoman of the ethics committee, said they needed to know more about the indictment before commenting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/washington/30stevens.html
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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 04:06:40 PM »
well how bout this:

none of the "well everybody does it"
none of the "well what about so & so did something worse"
none of the "well whats it really matter?"
none of the "well lets wait and see"
none of the "well but look at all the "good" he's done"
none of the "well this is a witch hunt"

if he's guilty throw the freaking book at him and throw away the key!

THATS THE DIFFERENCE!

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 05:05:22 PM »
Bravo!!!!

Here, here!!!!

You surprise me - I expected some paste-up picture and a caption along the lines of "The Dems do it too". Which, of course, they do, but does not justify others doing it.

After all, two wrongs don't make a right.

But three lefts do.
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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 05:06:53 PM »
"Book 'em, dano"
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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 05:11:07 PM »
well how bout this:

none of the "well everybody does it"
none of the "well what about so & so did something worse"
none of the "well whats it really matter?"
none of the "well lets wait and see"
none of the "well but look at all the "good" he's done"
none of the "well this is a witch hunt"

if he's guilty throw the freaking book at him and throw away the key!

THATS THE DIFFERENCE!
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Would another difference be that you, as self-appointed Informer of Corrupt Politicians, who have never failed to report even an incident when the dog of a Democratic legislator bit a Republican cat, FAILED to mention Stevens first?

So try him and convict him and sentence him if he's guilty. But the dude is 84, and he's not gonna have any real chances as a lobbyist unless they get his trial over with soon.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 04:32:05 PM »
"report even an incident when the dog of a Democratic legislator bit
a Republican cat, FAILED to mention Stevens first?"


i reported that reckless republican homo that got caught playing footsie in some airport shitter
he should be gone gone gone as well
but XO you miss the point again or are trying to change the subject
it's not who reports it or who reports it 1st, 2nd or 3rd
it's if we condemn disgraceful behavior no matter if it's one of our own or not
thats the difference XO
you know it, i know it
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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 06:29:38 PM »
My point is that you are always the FIRST one to denounce any misbehavior by a Democrat, posing atop the new story like a great crowing rooster, but you are slower on the draw when the malefactor is a Republican. This makes you look bad. Think of it as constructive criticism.

Larry Craig was a buffoon because he did not IMMEDIATELY call his lawyer. Instead he went along with the rather questionable accusation that his "wide stance" was actually criminal behavior rather than simply flaky behavior.

It is somewhat questionable whether the government is fulfilling a valuable function by stationing cops to sit in public toilet stalls, waiting for someone to pop in and exhibit an improperly wide stance. I am all for protecting children from sexual predators, but I think that most grown heterosexuals can handle goofy guys like Larry Craig pretty well without the pooper police. Really.

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2008, 06:40:21 PM »
My point is that you are always the FIRST one to denounce any misbehavior by a Democrat, posing atop the new story like a great crowing rooster, but you are slower on the draw when the malefactor is a Republican. This makes you look bad.

And this is different in how you seem to be one of the quickest crowers to GOP misbehavior, but are nearly completely silent to egregious Democrat acts.....how again?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 06:44:04 PM »
My point is that you are always the FIRST one to denounce any misbehavior by a Democrat, posing atop the new story like a great crowing rooster, but you are slower on the draw when the malefactor is a Republican. This makes you look bad.

And this is different in how you seem to be one of the quickest crowers to GOP misbehavior, but are nearly completely silent to egregious Democrat acts.....how again?


That is the point of haveing more than one party, it should be in someones intrest to rake muck, and how many should be immune to the muckrakeing?

When a fellow stalwot is found in the muck , what is the proper model for response?- Circle the wagons or form a circular fireing squad ?

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 06:55:39 PM »
My point is that you are always the FIRST one to denounce any misbehavior by a Democrat, posing atop the new story like a great crowing rooster, but you are slower on the draw when the malefactor is a Republican. This makes you look bad.

And this is different in how you seem to be one of the quickest crowers to GOP misbehavior, but are nearly completely silent to egregious Democrat acts.....how again?

That is the point of haveing more than one party, it should be in someones intrest to rake muck, and how many should be immune to the muckrakeing?

Precisely.  No one.  Yet it's standard response to pull out terms like "racist" if daring to question someone who happens to be black, or that their patriotism is being stomped on, if you dare criticize their criticism of the President, the military, or the war.  SOP in trying to remain immune from valid critcisms of their positions

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 07:20:10 PM »
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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 07:56:32 PM »
I suspect that christian is trying to wreck expectations by actually saying what every American should say.

It is refreshing.

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 08:23:08 PM »
And this is different in how you seem to be one of the quickest crowers to GOP misbehavior, but are nearly completely silent to egregious Democrat acts.....how again?
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This is entirely inaccurate. I am very rarely the first to denounce anyone for anything.

The problem with the GOP is not so much corrupt individuals as it is a faulty ideology and tendency to lure others in against their own interests to the oligarchy's opinions.

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2008, 08:26:08 PM »
This is entirely inaccurate. I am very rarely the first to denounce anyone for anything.

Unless it's something really egregious, like a spelling error or misuse of a word.

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Re: Stevens indicted
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2008, 08:28:34 PM »
And this is different in how you seem to be one of the quickest crowers to GOP misbehavior, but are nearly completely silent to egregious Democrat acts.....how again?
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This is entirely inaccurate. I am very rarely the first to denounce anyone for anything.

 :D   I needed a good chuckle



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