Another argument for staying in Iraq

[Michael Tee]

I think the Kurdish problem is much more difficult to resolve than the Palestinian problem.  The fact that money is available to smooth the way is not all that significant, since the land is forever and the oil underneath it is not.  If money were going to solve the problem, the Jews could long ago have solved their Palestinian problem, the land itself being of no intrinsic value.   Whatever money the Jewish people have coming from their own brain-power and endeavours, not their resource-poor land.  In Kirkuk, the problem is exacerbated by the fact that the land IS the wealth of the people and also there is the fact that other governments are necessarily involved and stand to lose some of their own national territory with the emergence of a strong and independent Kurdistan.  The politics of Big Oil is also at play in Kurdistan, but Big Oil doesn't give a shit about the land of Israel.  The Kurds are further divided politically, as are the Israelis but the Kurdish factions have their own private armies, which the Israelis have gotten past.

The problem of Israel is really very simple - - two people want the same piece of land and there isn't enough for everyone.   One side's gonna win and one side's gonna  lose.

[Xavier_Onassis]

One side's gonna win and one side's gonna  lose.

For the time being, the Israelis have already won.

The Palestinians will eventually outnumber the Israelis, and are allied with all the neighbors in language and heritage, so it appears that there is a good chance they will eventually win. The Israelis will not actually lose, they will simply go elsewhere. There is plenty of money to resettle them in a variety of places, though probably nowhere where they would be the majority.

As for the Kurds, they are much less a unified nationality than the Israelis. This is why there is no Kurdistan, because they are disunited, speak different languages and disagree greatly on ideology and what and where Kurdistan should be. (only in Iraq, or joined into a greater Kurdistan with the Kurds in Syria, Turkey, Iran and Iraq.

But without cooperation, the real oil wealth of Kurdistan will likely not benefit them or anyone much.
 

[Michael Tee]

<<The Israelis will not actually lose, they will simply go elsewhere. >>

In a one-state solution, the ones who personally or through an ancestor, were arlready there in 1948 (or 1967 or whatever they ultimately negotiate) will have the right to stay.

[Xavier_Onassis]

<The Israelis will not actually lose, they will simply go elsewhere. >>

In a one-state solution, the ones who personally or through an ancestor, were arlready there in 1948 (or 1967 or whatever they ultimately negotiate) will have the right to stay.
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I would imagine that some would stay, and others, not wishing to be in the minority where the Palestinians are in the majority, would go elsewhere. I agree that anyone born in a place has a perfect right to be able to stay in that place.

I don't imagine that everyone on the planet would agree with me on this, but I think it sounds utterly reasonable to me.

[Plane]

So you would not expect to see a tall pile of heads soon after Palestinians take over?

I kinda expect Palestinians to starve , they are expanding their numbers faster than Americans and Saudis are increaseing their dole.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So you would not expect to see a tall pile of heads soon after Palestinians take over?

I kinda expect Palestinians to starve , they are expanding their numbers faster than Americans and Saudis are increaseing their dole.


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No, I don't. I don't see anyone starving, either.
The Americans do not support the Palestinians to any useful degree. They send money to the Israelis, who may or may not withhold it. The Saudi contributions are quite small, and tend to end up in the pockets of the leaders.

[Plane]

So you would not expect to see a tall pile of heads soon after Palestinians take over?

I kinda expect Palestinians to starve , they are expanding their numbers faster than Americans and Saudis are increaseing their dole.


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No, I don't. I don't see anyone starving, either.
The Americans do not support the Palestinians to any useful degree. They send money to the Israelis, who may or may not withhold it. The Saudi contributions are quite small, and tend to end up in the pockets of the leaders.

OK then if they are getting even less dole than I think they do , then their push to populate is even less a good idea.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"The Middle East is and will always be a primitive and backward part of the world"

yeah sure


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