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sirs

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2008, 02:41:34 PM »
IIRC, I do believe Obama was on record as clearly stating how the surge would NOT work, and would actually make things far worse.  Included references to how no military commander he knew would say otherwise

To this day, I don't recall any quote where he reference how wrong he was.  I'm guessing we won't, either, being such a man of true conviction and sincerity and all
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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »
Russia wants to control the pipelines coming out of Georgia.

It also wants to reign in the Ukraine.

Europe is fed by those pipelines.

And in the end it IS about Oil.

And history shows people will go to war over that.

See Japan.





How about US in Iraq #2 . Except we had an idiot in charge that fucked it all up.

What is the "except"?

Don't the Russians have an idiot?

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 11:09:39 PM »
<<If Europe wants to become the property of a Russian Ogliarchy , then it is time to becom Isolationist and allow the Europeans to give themselves to the Russians , who know much more about captureing a terrority than administering it to the benefit of anyone (even themselves).>>

Sorry, I didn't know that Putin and Medvedev were agents of a Russian Oligarchy.  Somehody better tell Mikhail Khodorovsky.  He thinks Putin doesn't like him.

<<Napolion learned that Russians are easy to push back , but hard to fight deep in their territory , since then the Aircraft has been invented and it isn't nessacery to be there to destroy something.>>

Well, somehow Hitler didn't feel that airpower alone was going to do the job, and he's probably right because it didn't win the war for you in Viet Nam either.  Looks like to destroy the country, you have to invade.  Only problem, invading destroys YOU.

<<Hitler wanted all that land , we do not.>>

Smart.  But if you don't want their land, that's their base from which to dictate to their neighbours how they should conduct themselves.  And there ain't a God-damn thing you can do about it.

<<Yes the Russian economy would be easyer to chole off than any other feature of their situation >>

Yeah, who wants their fucking gas and oil anyway?  It's a lead-pipe cinch

<<, you are wrong about the five trillion cost of Iraq , >>

Please.  I'M not wrong about the 5 trill, a Nobel-Prize winning economist must be wrong.  You better tell him real quick, before he embarrasses himself any further

<<and you arn't right about any thing elese either.>>

No, it's gonna take the Iraqis much longer than I thought to kick your sorry asses out of their country and regain control of their own oil.  I can't claim a 100% accuracy record on my predictions.  Even lost a bet to Kramer on one of them.  It's depressing, plane.  I really think I have too much faith in the power of good to defeat evil.  It sort of colours my thinking.  I ought to remember how many Nazis got away with the murder of the Jews.  It'll remind me how many Americans and Israelis are going to get away with the murder of the Arabs.

<<By the way , Russia is not Communist anymore , it is sort of an ogliarchy and is heading twards Imperialism , you still like them?>>

Complex subject.  I still haven't figured out how to regard the old U.S.S.R. in its last years.  Let alone Putin's Russia.  My greatest sentimental feeling for the U.S.S.R. is that it is the Ally which killed more Germans than all the other Allies in WWII.  And also executed many more of them after the War.  For that alone, I just love them.  I think Putin is moving Russia away from the oligarchs (look at the nationalization of Gazprom) and back to state ownership of the means of production, at least in key areas like energy.  I also feel Putin is putting Russia back on the world stage, which in general is a good thing if only because it restores a counterbalance to the U.S.A., which, left unchecked, developed world-hegemonic ambitions which cannot be allowed to continue. 

Obviously, I would like to see a restored Russian world power organize on slightly different principles than the old U.S.S.R., one being that it set realistic goals (realistic meaning that it acts as part of an alliance rather than as the sole Big Cheese) for the containment and roll-back of America, two being that it reverts to basic socialist ideology ("From Each According to His Ability to Each According to His Need,") rather than the development of another nomenklatura and all the concessions it made to bourgeois materialism and consumerism.  Nobody gave a shit about building socialism any more.  But I am coming to grips with the loss of the old U.S.S.R.; Putin's Russia, however, is moving in the right direction.  I wish them well.

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2008, 11:12:17 PM »
If the SURGE WORKED, then let´s get the f==k  out.

If it this isn´t`possible, well then it didn´t.

The whole stupid war was a collosal error. So was Juniorbush.

Should even one (1) American life be risked over any piece of Georgian territory, by which I do not mean the Georgia that was on Ray Charles´mind?

There are places worth defending for the US and others that are not.

Winnepeg, yes.
Ex-Soviet Georgia, no way. Not worth even the left nut of a West Virginia hillbilly

« Last Edit: August 14, 2008, 11:16:56 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2008, 11:23:56 PM »
"And Georgia is going to be a very good lesson for them not to even think about it"

Wow Michael it really looks like Poland is scared!  :D

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2008, 11:29:54 PM »
<<Wow Michael it really looks like Poland is scared!  >>

They're scared of Russia.  They don't want to be left hanging out to dry like Georgia.  Hoping desperately that the U.S. will defend them if the need arises in return for the bases.

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2008, 11:35:04 PM »
"If the SURGE WORKED, then let´s get the f==k  out."

Thats like saying "if CPR worked on the collapsed football player throw his helmet back on and send him back in the game".

Or maybe at the end of the Civil War "well blacks are now free lets get the f==k out of Dixie in all ways & let the blacks deal with the KKK and every other obstacle on their own.

In your blind lunacy of Bush Hate you want the US to leave Iraq before the job is complete.
You cant stand the fact that we are now winning and that Bush will be proven correct.

62 Americans were killed/murdered in Chicago alone last month, in Iraq 11 Americans were killed.

The surge worked, but thats only one piece of the puzzle.

You will be fun to watch as progress continues in Iraq.

And the fact that progress in Iraq pisses you off speaks volumes about you.
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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2008, 12:20:44 AM »
62 Americans were killed/murdered in Chicago alone last month, in Iraq 11 Americans were killed.

OMG....We need to pull everyone out of Chicago!!!

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Re: You Think Maybe the Russians are a Little Pissed Off?
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2008, 01:14:31 AM »
<<And the fact that progress in Iraq pisses you off speaks volumes about you.>>

Yeah, it shows that you respect the rule of international law and are against unprovoked aggression.