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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2008, 10:45:56 PM »
<<What college was that other than Annapolis?>>

Some place I never heard of and you never heard of.

He went from Episcopal High School to Annapolis. There was no school in between.
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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2008, 11:48:53 PM »
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Exactly my point.  It sure as hell wasn't good grades that got him in there, it was family connections.  Or was it just a pure coincidence that his father and grandfather were admirals?  Do you want to try telling me that nobody at Annapolis knew anything about them?

They didn't have to know anything about him. They just had to know a congressman appointed him. Staying in school was up to McCain. BTW what was his GPA in high school? 



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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2008, 12:51:06 AM »
<<<They didn't have to know anything about him. They just had to know a congressman appointed him. >>

LOL.  Here.  I'll make this real easy for you:  Why did the Congressman appoint HIM?  Was he the only young man in the state who wanted to go to Annapolis that year?

<<Staying in school was up to McCain. >>

Yeah, and so was finishing fifth from last.

<<BTW what was his GPA in high school? >>

HIGH school??  WTF would high school have to do with anything?  What I wanna know is how did he do in elementary school?

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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2008, 12:59:41 AM »
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HIGH school??  WTF would high school have to do with anything?  What I  wanna know is how did he do in elementary school?

You seem to think he was unworthy of Annapolis, what in his high school transcripts or SAT scores would give you that idea?

You really seem to be making this up as you go along.




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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2008, 01:12:00 AM »
<<You seem to think he was unworthy of Annapolis, what in his high school transcripts or SAT scores would give you that idea?

<<You really seem to be making this up as you go along. >>

Not really.  NOBODY looks at high school marks when you're applying for grad school.  McCain went to a small college before he went . . .

Ya know, something fishy is happening to the Wikipedia article on McCain.  When I just checked back to see the name of the small college he attended before Annapolis, it was gone.  There was no mention of any post-secondary education other than Annapolis.  From a private Episcopal high school straight to Annapolis.  Very strange.

Well, maybe I remember it wrong.  If he went straight from High School to Annapolis, his high school marks would be relevant.  My apologies.  I think.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that no strings were pulled to get him into Annapolis.  Why AREN'T his high school marks released if they're the basis of his admission?  This guy is borderline failure material yet he gets in - - is it likely he got in on merit or more likely his family connections got him in?  Those of us who live in the real world already know the answer.

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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2008, 01:20:17 AM »
Ya know, something fishy is happening to the Wikipedia article on McCain.  When I just checked back to see the name of the small college he attended before Annapolis, it was gone.  There was no mention of any post-secondary education other than Annapolis.  From a private Episcopal high school straight to Annapolis.  Very strange.

Annapolis is not a graduate school. All of the military academies take high school graduates. He (and virtually every other graduate of military academies) went straight from high school to their chosen academy.
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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2008, 01:21:26 AM »
Ya know, something fishy is happening to the Wikipedia article on McCain.  When I just checked back to see the name of the small college he attended before Annapolis, it was gone.

BTW, Wikipedia keeps a record of all changes to their web pages. Feel free to look in the previous versions for "the name of the small college he attended before Annapolis" - I'd like to know it.
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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2008, 01:30:04 AM »
<<BTW, Wikipedia keeps a record of all changes to their web pages.>>

That's cool.  There were nine changes yesterday and seven the day before.  Today already there are already seven changes.  I can't keep up with this shit because I'm not sure how far back to go.  It was just easier to assume I made an error, apologize to BT, and move on. 

I'm sure he did NOT get into Annapolis on the basis of his high school marks but I wouldn't bet my life on it.  He's STILL an elitist by heritage however he got into Annapolis, (what're the odds that a guy who fucks up so badly in a military school had a great high school GPA?) and his wife's an elitist (with eight homes) and Barak and Michelle worked their way up from nothing.  End of story.

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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2008, 01:54:03 AM »
That's cool.  There were nine changes yesterday and seven the day before.  Today already there are already seven changes.  I can't keep up with this shit because I'm not sure how far back to go.

So, pick an old page and see if it's there. Spot check a few others. You must have some clue about what time period you read that he went to another college, pick a page from before then.
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2008, 01:57:34 AM »
<<So, pick an old page and see if it's there. Spot check a few others. You must have some clue about what time period you read that he went to another college, pick a page from before then.>>

What's the point?  If he didn't get an undergrad degree before Annapolis, he's even LESS educated than I originally gave him credit for.

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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2008, 01:59:16 AM »
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what're the odds that a guy who fucks up so badly in a military school had a great high school GPA

Not unheard of. My class valedictorian had a 1500+ SATscore and flunked out of UNC Chapel Hill after 2 years. He came home, went to local college and ended up with a law degree from Emory. Sometimes it's not the academics that are the challenge.


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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2008, 02:03:32 AM »
<<Not unheard of. My class valedictorian had a 1500+ SATscore and flunked out of UNC Chapel Hill after 2 years. He came home, went to local college and ended up with a law degree from Emory. Sometimes it's not the academics that are the challenge.>>

That's true enough.  Which is why I wouldn't bet my life on my conclusions.  Still and all the odds greatly favour the proposition that it was McCain's family connections that got him into Annapolis.

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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2008, 08:41:31 AM »
What's the point?  If he didn't get an undergrad degree before Annapolis, he's even LESS educated than I originally gave him credit for.

The military also runs graduate schools. One of them is the National War College, which McCain attended as well.
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Re: They're Paying Attention Now
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2008, 02:43:15 PM »
Actually, I think the article is a good one.

Most voters are not going to be political junkies like the people in this forum. McCain comes with name recognition. People know him. He's a former POW, a little short-tempered, and known for his ability to work across the aisle. I think his "original maverick" ads are really very good. Though he is basically a career politician and a Washington insider (for the most part) he does have the reputation of being a "maverick." The ads give him the opportunity to win over independent and Democrat voters with the only risk being the isolation of Republican core voters. Right now, that seems to be a risk worth taking.

Obama is more of the unknown. Yes, most people know of him, but they don't know him. I think you'll see the Democrat's Convention geared towards that (and you already have with Michelle). Joe Biden was a step in this direction. Biden is basically Obama's answer to McCain. I don't think it is so much foreign affairs as the entire notion of an experienced Senator, who knows Washington, who knows the Senate, and also understands security and international issues. People know Biden.

Biden isn't the equivalent of Cheney to Bush, so much as LBJ to Kennedy. Kennedy was going to make all of these changes. He promised a lot to the American people, so to balance the ticket he put in the opposite of change - an old stalwart. (Yes, I know he needed to win Texas. As an aside, it is interesting that LBJ became the president to bring the most radical civil rights reform - "an agent of change" in his own right to borrow an awful cliche from media folks).

What will be interesting is to see how McCain goes with his VP choice. If he feels that he has the GOP core vote locked, then he won't need a Romney or an even more stalwart conservative. Then his choices become a lot more interesting.
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