Here You Go -- Experience Side by Side Palin VS Obama (easy reading)

[BT]

Did I write what?

The Obama Palin comparison. It's sloppier than your usual work.

[Plane]

<<Sara Pallin has lived her life in the real world , dealing with the problems of an employee and employer and a leader as most of us do.

<<Barak Obama rose and advanced himself on the inside of acadime and the political world.>>

But I really have to object to the absolutely ridiculous inference that Palin's experience in small business somehow equates to or tops Obama's experience in the academic world - - it is ludicrous to think that her "accomplishments" come even close to his.  The number of people who can accomplish what Palin accomplished in running a small business would run into the millions.  There are very few people who can match Obama's academic accomplishments, even less if you exclude those who started out with a silver spoon in their mouths.  Anyone who thinks a small businessman is the equivalent in brain-power, problem-solving or analysis to a professor of constitutional law and a Harvard Law magna cum laude really has to have a screw or two loose.  The smartest students in the world  compete to get into Harvard Law, and once there compete with one another to be the main editor of the Law Review.  Obama's accomplishments mean that he clawed his way to the top of the tallest tree in the nation.  Whereas everyone knows dozens, maybe hundreds of people in their own immediate family and friends who run successful small businesses.  Many of whom have done much better at it than Palin.

I am hereby convinced that Barak Obama deserves the Validictorian vote plus the Phi Beta Kappa keyholder vote.

[Michael Tee]

<<Harvard grads are over-rated - - Harvard teachers are way way way over-rated and truly incapable of doing anything other than pretend to be important to a bunch of rich spoiled kids.>>

Ha ha ha.  This is hilarious. A quick check of Harvard Law School grads indicates five sitting justices of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, 18 governors of American states, plus Senators, Federal judges, etc.  Two former premiers of the Canadian Provinces of Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia, a former Solicitor-General of Canada, and more stuff than I can fill in here.  Of course, they were all taught by morons.  Anyway, I am very impressed by your opinions of Harvard grads and Professors.  You sound like a man who really knows what he is talking about, so I thank you very much for your opinion.

<<You likely don't live in the real world . . . >>

I guess that would depend on how you would define the real world.  I live in Canada with my wife, south of the Laurentian Shield, in a nice house with a beautiful swimming pool in the back yard surrounded by trees, shrubs and flowers, where we raised our three children and now play with our grandchildren when they visit.  Our back yard is visited and sometimes inhabited by rabbits, raccoons, skunks, groundhogs, chipmunks, squirrels and all kinds of birds, sometimes including waterfowl who land on the pool and once on the tarp over the pool when it had collected a lot of water.   I would be really sorry to find out this is not the real world, but if it's a dream, I hope it's one I never wake up from.

<< . . . and that is why all these excellent points go over your head. >>

Uh, you don't HAVE any "excellent points" to make.  Frankly, I've rarely if ever read such fucked-up nonsense as the stuff that comes from you and the Hallelujah Chorus of right-wing nutjobs that inhabit this forum.  I'd have to turn to the columns of Charles Krauthammer or Michelle Malkin or the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal to find such unadulterated nonsense as I regularly find here.

<<Factually speaking I am very sure that you would not make it in the real world. >>

Well, I hate to break it to you, but I already have.  I married the girl I fell in love with in university, we have three lovely kids, all of whom are now married off, two of whom have kids of their own,  all of whom have their Master's degrees and one of whom is about to receive a Ph.D.  All three have great jobs and wonderful spouses.  I could probably have a lot more money than what I now have, but I couldn't possibly be happier and the dough I do have gets me through from one day to the next and has allowed me to fulfill all but two (Japan and India) of our major travel ambitions, including six trips to France. I learned a few languages and am studying some more now.  Nobody's had to take up a collection for me, if that's what you were getting at.  This IS the real world, my friend.  If you get half of what I got out of it, you will be a very lucky man.

<<Most university teachers can pontificate all day long really about nothing or maybe theory but when the rubber meets the road they are lost and useless. >>

Maybe you don't know the difference, but Obama was not a "university teacher," he was a Professor of Constitutional Law.  That's for sure a subject you never understood, let alone studied, so how you can think you know that they "pontificate all day long" is something of a mystery to me.  Anyway, most law professors haven't "pontificated" since the 19th century, the Socratic method having been their preferred method of instruction since then.  That probably went right over your head, since you have no idea what "pontificating" or "Socratic method" means and you probably are too fucking lazy to look them up, but that's OK too.

<<Now I'm sure you will argue with me till your blue in the face but frankly I have no time for people that are out of touch with reality.>>

Well, I'm not really arguing with you, I just see a whole pile of sheer stupidity on my screen, and I answer it because I'm reasonably certain that somebody on the other side will read my answer.  Doesn't have to be you.  It's more like an exercise than an argument.  You say something really stupid, I knock it down.  Over and over.  It's fun (or therapy) and it's good mental exercise.   This is really a strange kind of existence - - arguments appear on a screen, an answer is typed back to the screen and two human beings trade thoughts (and insults) without ever knowing one another.  I dunno, maybe we're both "out of touch with reality" -- no, we're not talking to the walls, but we're talking to screens with our fingertips.  And the screens answer us.  How "real" is that?

[Brassmask]

Did I write what?

The Obama Palin comparison. It's sloppier than your usual work.

OMG, sorry, I swear I posted the link at the bottom but I guess I didn't.

Now I can't find the page.  I'll look for it and post it.

Sorry about that.

[Religious Dick]

Maybe you don't know the difference, but Obama was not a "university teacher," he was a Professor of Constitutional Law.&nbsp;

Oh, give the "Professor of Constitutional Law" schtick a rest. Let's remember how he got that job. From that bastion of right-wing nuttery, the New York Times.

Mr. Obama arrived at the law school in 1991 thanks to Michael W. McConnell, a conservative scholar who is now a federal appellate judge. As president of The Harvard Law Review, Mr. Obama had impressed Mr. McConnell with editing suggestions on an article; on little more than that, the law school gave him a fellowship, which amounted to an office and a computer, which he used to write his memoir, ?Dreams From My Father.?

The school had almost no black faculty members, a special embarrassment given its location on the South Side. Its sleek halls bordered a neighborhood crumbling with poverty and neglect. In his 2000 Congressional primary race, Representative Bobby L. Rush, a former Black Panther running for re-election, used Mr. Obama?s ties to the school to label him an egghead and an elitist.

Or the short story is, they all but acknowledge he was a token hire.

[Michael Tee]

<<Or the short story is, they all but acknowledge he was a token hire.>>

Oh, I see.  So his undergrad degree from Columbia must have been a token undergrad degree.

His admission to Harvard Law was a token admission.

His editor-in-chief'ship of the Harvard Law Review was a token editorship.

His law degree magna cum laude was a token magna cum laude.

All the articles that appeared in the Harvard Law Review were really edited by other students anonymously, eager to put in the long hard hours and the painstaking thought that were required so that Obama, who basically stole the job they should have held by virtue of his skin colour, could have all the glory of appearing to be the editor, while they, who did all the work, could never be credited for any of it. 

Yeah, that sounds like Harvard Law students, alright - - devoid of ego or desire for academic glory, willing to step aside out of the limelight and work their ass off all for the benefit of some rival student who stole their job.

Sorry, Dick, but I just don't believe you.  After all, you have to admit, there must be SOME black man somewhere who is smart enough to . . .  what's that?  No?  No, you DON'T believe any black man has the brains to edit the Harvard Law Review or get a Professorship on his own?  Ah, thank you.  That's more or less what I thought you were saying, soon as I saw the word "token."

[Plane]

<<Or the short story is, they all but acknowledge he was a token hire.>>

Oh, I see.  So his undergrad degree from Columbia must have been a token undergrad degree.

His admission to Harvard Law was a token admission.

His editor-in-chief'ship of the Harvard Law Review was a token editorship.

His law degree magna cum laude was a token magna cum laude.

All the articles that appeared in the Harvard Law Review were really edited by other students anonymously, eager to put in the long hard hours and the painstaking thought that were required so that Obama, who basically stole the job they should have held by virtue of his skin colour, could have all the glory of appearing to be the editor, while they, who did all the work, could never be credited for any of it. 

Yeah, that sounds like Harvard Law students, alright - - devoid of ego or desire for academic glory, willing to step aside out of the limelight and work their ass off all for the benefit of some rival student who stole their job.

Sorry, Dick, but I just don't believe you.  After all, you have to admit, there must be SOME black man somewhere who is smart enough to . . .  what's that?  No?  No, you DON'T believe any black man has the brains to edit the Harvard Law Review or get a Professorship on his own?  Ah, thank you.  That's more or less what I thought you were saying, soon as I saw the word "token."

If he becomes the "affermative action President " there wil be a long gap between Black presidents. Once in a while is enough for a token.

If he becomes president and does a very good job , there might be a person of color in the race every time from now on. Why not ? There isn't a shortage anymore of Black politicians with realistic levels of experience.

[Religious Dick]

Sorry, Dick, but I just don't believe you.&nbsp; After all, you have to admit, there must be SOME black man somewhere who is smart enough to . . .&nbsp; what's that?&nbsp; No?&nbsp; No, you DON'T believe any black man has the brains to edit the Harvard Law Review or get a Professorship on his own?&nbsp; Ah, thank you.&nbsp; That's more or less what I thought you were saying, soon as I saw the word "token."

Tell it to Obama - he said the same thing himself:

Mr. Obama said he had ?undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action? in his own academic career, and he praised the intellectual heft and wide-ranging views of his diverse staff.

[Michael Tee]

Affirmative action got his foot in the door, compensating him for the advantage that rich white kids had from the day they were born with their camps, trips to Europe, opera subscriptions and private schooling; it did not get him the law review editorship, nor the magna cum laude nor the professorship.

[Xavier_Onassis]

If he becomes the "affermative action President " there wil be a long gap between Black presidents. Once in a while is enough for a token.

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I suggest to you that there is no such thing as an "affirmative action" president. The rules are precisely the same by law for all candidates: there are no EEOC guidelines for any elected office, anywhere in the US and never have been.

If Obama gets the votes in the right places, he will win the Electoral College vote, and he will become president, period.

If it is up to you, there never will be any Black presidents. Sorry, but Thomas Sowell and Alan Keyes and their ilk will never get any nomination for president, or vice president. We sha;ll have to hear you blather on and on ad infinitum about how you aren't a racist, because you are for (some ratwing Black sellout who never will have a chance of being nominated--fill in the blank). No matter how incompetent, warmongering, stubborn, ignorant and moronic the Republicans manage to fool the yokels, rubes, hicks and Cletuses to elect, they will NEVER be bad enough to be thrown out.

[Kramer]

Affirmative action got his foot in the door, compensating him for the advantage that rich white kids had from the day they were born with their camps, trips to Europe, opera subscriptions and private schooling; it did not get him the law review editorship, nor the magna cum laude nor the professorship.

oh really, what about poor white kids? Obama came from well do do family. By the way his benefactors didn't make their money with affirmative actions advantages.

[Michael Tee]

<<oh really, what about poor white kids?>>

Poor black kids suffer from all the same disadvantages they do, PLUS the additional handicap of racism.  Who do you REALLY think has the worse end of the stick?

[Plane]

<<oh really, what about poor white kids?>>

Poor black kids suffer from all the same disadvantages they do, PLUS the additional handicap of racism.  Who do you REALLY think has the worse end of the stick?

Upper middle class and rich black kids , that is who has it worst.

On one side are those who cast aspersion on how Wannabe they are , and on the other are those who grant no respect to their ability to think for themselves.