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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 03:06:47 AM »
First of all, No, I do NOT believe that it's time to say "Don't vote for the other bitch". Somehow males like yourself consider that to be the logical and reasonable response to the status quo of quotes. NO...nada. There's no room for the term "Bitch" in any arena.

Yes there is; the arena of humor.  Somehow females like yourself consider any joke that may involve possible offense to be serious.  The point of that particular piece of humor is that now women can be given the same crappy treatment as men in the political arena.  I make no apologies for the joke.  It is right on the mark.


Secondly, I do believe that your stream of thought is a bit off the beam...


It wouldn't be the first time . . .


First of all, your comparison to Marx and his outrageous idealistic breath of dirty air certainly is not the same as the race for America's next president.


I didn't say it was.  I simply included it as one of many points with which I (and many others) would disagree and which many other others would agree.  


Communal wives"? Muslim fanatics? Nope ...not pertinent here either. Why can not we believe to be truth that this nation of the United States of this new America  most certainly could [/b] work together on matters of such life and death issues(health care,security, education)?The average 7 year old can do it. Why can't the average 56 year old?


The points are completely pertinent.  There are many people right here in these "United" States that believe them.  They debate and they vote.  The illusion, the idealistic vision, that this country can "work together" is not realistic.  The average 7 year old has very little experience and thinks simplistically - like Obama.   The average 56 ear old has been through a hell of lot privately and watched society go through wars, economic crises, terror attacks, epidemics and disasters.  That person thinks far more realistically than 7 year olds who may still believe in Santa.  I very seriously doubt that you will find ANY 7 year old, much less the average one, who can discuss with even rudimentary skill health care, security, or education.  They are complicated issues, and the average 56 year old understands that.  But let me make it simple.  We can solve all of the problems right now.  Do away with ALL government subsidized health care.  Let those who can afford insurance get care and those who can't die.  It's simple Darwinism: the strong survive, the weak drop out of the gene pool.  Drop nuclear bombs on all the major population centers in Russia, China, North Korea and Iran- and let's hit those mountain strongholds in Pakistan as well.  Then go round up anybody in the US with a Spanish accent and put them in interment camps.  Those who cannot prove US citizenship get shot on site.  Outlaw any practice of Islam on pain of being tortured to death and fed to pigs.  Do away with all public education and allow parents to teach.  Any parents who wish to can contract private schools at their expense.  Anyone unable to compete under this scenario will be sent into slave labor camps to work on infrastructure.  See how well that worls out?

Those are all simple answers and THEY WOULD WORK.  Of course, aside from the flagrant inhumanity, there would be a lot of unintended consequences that might cause even greater problems.  If these problems had simple answers, we wouldn't have or need politicians.  That's a lovely idea, but it hasn't been realistic since Israel insisted on having a King to be like all the other folks.


We DO NOT MORE FORWARD. That is my point. We dig deeper into the trenches of hate and bigotry and an unwillingness to accept the other's insights as possibly a "good idea'. It's aint wonderful. It is more of the same. Who gets elected? Someday we will see that who gets elected is a group of individuals....a commitee...not one hero/well deserving black man/angry white woman/powerful strong white woman/confused Jewish male/horney southern ex gentleman with angry white wife at his side/

That's true.  Blacks are still slaves, and HEY what are you doing running your mouth about politics anyway?  You're a woman.  Get back in the kitchen where you belong.  And what's this nonsense about blacks and women running for office?  That's never going to happen.  This is the United States of America, dammit.  All thirteen colonies agree that slavery is acceptable, the federal government should never have more power than the several states, and Great Britain is our enemy.  Oh and by the way, we'll never have a standing army.


We must review our history in this process.

Yes, we must.  

As it happens, we DO move forward by debate and opposition.  It took a CIVIL WAR to break down the tradition of slavery.  It took protests and boycotts pitted against police dogs and fire hoses to get blacks the unencumbered right to vote - much less have one run for President.  None of this happened because people worked together.  It happened because people were willing to work AGAINST.  You talk about electing a "committee."  Hi.  Let me introduce you to the Congress.  It's a little body of about 534 or so folks broken down into two houses - one that represents the people and one that represents the states.  Obama doesn't understand that concept either, so you're in good company.  The founding fathers recognized that there needed to be a chief executive and so they created one.  They gave him appropriate powers and put appropriate checks against him.  They also fought, screamed, debated, walked out and beat into shape the Constitution during the summer of 1787.  They realized that a compromise was needed between equal representation of all states and proportionate representation of the populace.  They hammered out this glorious bicameral legislature and now Obama says that BIGGER states should have BIGGER representation in the Senate.  What an ignorant thing for a Senator to believe.  

Review our history?  It is a history of violence, debate, competition and growth.  The dream you speak of is just that - a dream.  Actually, a nightmare.  But it all seems so beautiful.  Come into my parlor . . .
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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 05:45:00 AM »
I got a prescription recently for cough syrup: $61.00 for 8 oz.

And I bought some over the counter: $4 for 16oz.
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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 10:13:44 AM »
And I bought some over the counter: $4 for 16oz.

So what?
Why should any cough syrup cost $61? That is clearly price gouging by any standards. Is your $4 over the counter syrup (which is what I bought instead, even though the store brand was $7.98 for 8 oz.) as good? I suppose I will find out.

I question that anyone sells 16 oz of cough syrup for $4, unless it is on some sort of major sale or out of date. I cannot recall ever seeing any cough syrup in 16 oz. bottles. I worked in a pharmacy for several years, by the way. The usual sizes are 4 oz., 6 oz and 8 oz.
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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 10:31:03 AM »
I question that anyone sells 16 oz of cough syrup for $4, unless it is on some sort of major sale or out of date. I cannot recall ever seeing any cough syrup in 16 oz. bottles. I worked in a pharmacy for several years, by the way. The usual sizes are 4 oz., 6 oz and 8 oz.

Walmart. Equate brand (which is the Walmart generic brand). I was wrong on the size, it was 12oz. Here is a link to the same size bottle for Robitussin.

And I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell out of date medicines.
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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2008, 09:07:18 PM »
First of all, No, I do NOT believe that it's time to say "Don't vote for the other bitch". Somehow males like yourself consider that to be the logical and reasonable response to the status quo of quotes. NO...nada. There's no room for the term "Bitch" in any arena.

Yes there is; the arena of humor.  Somehow females like yourself consider any joke that may involve possible offense to be serious.  The point of that particular piece of humor is that now women can be given the same crappy treatment as men in the political arena.  I make no apologies for the joke.  It is right on the mark.


Secondly, I do believe that your stream of thought is a bit off the beam...


It wouldn't be the first time . . .


First of all, your comparison to Marx and his outrageous idealistic breath of dirty air certainly is not the same as the race for America's next president.


I didn't say it was.  I simply included it as one of many points with which I (and many others) would disagree and which many other others would agree.  


Communal wives"? Muslim fanatics? Nope ...not pertinent here either. Why can not we believe to be truth that this nation of the United States of this new America  most certainly could [/b] work together on matters of such life and death issues(health care,security, education)?The average 7 year old can do it. Why can't the average 56 year old?


The points are completely pertinent.  There are many people right here in these "United" States that believe them.  They debate and they vote.  The illusion, the idealistic vision, that this country can "work together" is not realistic.  The average 7 year old has very little experience and thinks simplistically - like Obama.   The average 56 ear old has been through a hell of lot privately and watched society go through wars, economic crises, terror attacks, epidemics and disasters.  That person thinks far more realistically than 7 year olds who may still believe in Santa.  I very seriously doubt that you will find ANY 7 year old, much less the average one, who can discuss with even rudimentary skill health care, security, or education.  They are complicated issues, and the average 56 year old understands that.  But let me make it simple.  We can solve all of the problems right now.  Do away with ALL government subsidized health care.  Let those who can afford insurance get care and those who can't die.  It's simple Darwinism: the strong survive, the weak drop out of the gene pool.  Drop nuclear bombs on all the major population centers in Russia, China, North Korea and Iran- and let's hit those mountain strongholds in Pakistan as well.  Then go round up anybody in the US with a Spanish accent and put them in interment camps.  Those who cannot prove US citizenship get shot on site.  Outlaw any practice of Islam on pain of being tortured to death and fed to pigs.  Do away with all public education and allow parents to teach.  Any parents who wish to can contract private schools at their expense.  Anyone unable to compete under this scenario will be sent into slave labor camps to work on infrastructure.  See how well that worls out?

Those are all simple answers and THEY WOULD WORK.  Of course, aside from the flagrant inhumanity, there would be a lot of unintended consequences that might cause even greater problems.  If these problems had simple answers, we wouldn't have or need politicians.  That's a lovely idea, but it hasn't been realistic since Israel insisted on having a King to be like all the other folks.


We DO NOT MORE FORWARD. That is my point. We dig deeper into the trenches of hate and bigotry and an unwillingness to accept the other's insights as possibly a "good idea'. It's aint wonderful. It is more of the same. Who gets elected? Someday we will see that who gets elected is a group of individuals....a commitee...not one hero/well deserving black man/angry white woman/powerful strong white woman/confused Jewish male/horney southern ex gentleman with angry white wife at his side/

That's true.  Blacks are still slaves, and HEY what are you doing running your mouth about politics anyway?  You're a woman.  Get back in the kitchen where you belong.  And what's this nonsense about blacks and women running for office?  That's never going to happen.  This is the United States of America, dammit.  All thirteen colonies agree that slavery is acceptable, the federal government should never have more power than the several states, and Great Britain is our enemy.  Oh and by the way, we'll never have a standing army.


We must review our history in this process.

Yes, we must.  

As it happens, we DO move forward by debate and opposition.  It took a CIVIL WAR to break down the tradition of slavery.  It took protests and boycotts pitted against police dogs and fire hoses to get blacks the unencumbered right to vote - much less have one run for President.  None of this happened because people worked together.  It happened because people were willing to work AGAINST.  You talk about electing a "committee."  Hi.  Let me introduce you to the Congress.  It's a little body of about 534 or so folks broken down into two houses - one that represents the people and one that represents the states.  Obama doesn't understand that concept either, so you're in good company.  The founding fathers recognized that there needed to be a chief executive and so they created one.  They gave him appropriate powers and put appropriate checks against him.  They also fought, screamed, debated, walked out and beat into shape the Constitution during the summer of 1787.  They realized that a compromise was needed between equal representation of all states and proportionate representation of the populace.  They hammered out this glorious bicameral legislature and now Obama says that BIGGER states should have BIGGER representation in the Senate.  What an ignorant thing for a Senator to believe.  

Review our history?  It is a history of violence, debate, competition and growth.  The dream you speak of is just that - a dream.  Actually, a nightmare.  But it all seems so beautiful.  Come into my parlor . . .

Great points, Poochie....I love to get in the thick of it all with ya.

I'll reply later.

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Re: Doesn't anyone really get it?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2008, 11:31:51 PM »
And I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell out of date medicines.

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This is true, but some stores will mark nearly expired stuff down.

In any flea market you can easily find outdated drugs, food, anything with a date on it, at least here in Miami.


 
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