Bristol Palin and Murphy Brown

[Xavier_Onassis]

I recall when the TV character Murphy Brown, decided to give birth as a single parent to her ex-husband's and her child, VP Dan Quayle pushed his way in uninvited and said that she was setting a bad example by becoming a TV character single mom. Now, it appears that single mommery is all the rage, and young Bristol Palin is some sort of heroine for getting herself knocked up.

Republicans, it seems will say whatever they want about morality if they think it will get them votes and a chance to beat up on the other party.

The odds of a teenage marriage not ending in divorce in the first five years are about 1 in 4. About 2% of teen mothers actually namage to graduate from college. I know about this, because I used to teach dozens of them. Or, in more cases than not, try to teach them.

[BT]

Now, it appears that single mommery is all the rage

Judging by the slime war waged against the Palin's the roles have been reversed. When did you guys get so prim and proper?

[Xavier_Onassis]

All I have said is that Bristol Palin getting knocked up suggests that her mother's theory that all teenagers need is an abstinence program is perhaps misguided. Had she a better theory, then Bristol Palin would not have become pregnant, and I think that this would be advantageous for her as well as her family. Only time will tell how all thois sorts itself out, of course.

Most teenage girls have sex, and most do not get pregnant. Perhaps they have better sex ed in school. Perhaps their mothers give them better advice, or even contraceptives.

As for Murphy Brown, I think Quayle's remark was silly. Murphy Brown, a prosperous newscaster in her late 30's was not a role model for teenagers or anyone, just a character in a tv show.

[BT]

All I have said is that Bristol Palin getting knocked up suggests that her mother's theory that all teenagers need is an abstinence program is perhaps misguided.

How many times do you need to be told that Palin has no problems with contraceptives?

She is anti-abortion. Period.

[Xavier_Onassis]

How many times do you need to be told that Palin has no problems with contraceptives?

She is anti-abortion. Period.

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No, this is not the case. You are inaccurate about this.

She has also been on record as saying that she favors only abstinence as a program to prevent teenagers from becoming pregnant.

"Only" would indicate that she must have a problem with teaching about contraceptives or providing them.

People, including teenagers, who are abstinent do not use, nor require, contraceptives.

She thinks teenagers and I assume other unmarried persons should not have sex. She perhaps believes that married persons have the right to prevent unwanted pregnancies by using contraceptives.

Contraceptives are highly effective, even simple prophylactics and spermicides.

The odds are that if young Bristol had used contraceptives, she would not have become pregnant.

[BT]

Once again:

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story

[Xavier_Onassis]

http://www.socksandbarney.com/comics/2008-09-01-socksbarney_181.gif

[BT]

Weak deflection.

[Christians4LessGvt]

For God's sake XO, do you oppose abstinence being a part of sex education?

[Lanya]

Once again:

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story

...both McCain and Palin have expressed a commitment to abstinence-only sex education programs.

Specifically, Palin has a record of opposing any school-based sexual education program other than those that adopt an abstinence-only approach. During her 2006 Alaska gubernatorial campaign, Palin responded to a question on sex education programs with the answer, "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5711359

[BT]

When thinkprogress reports that she is pro contraceptive, one would think the issue was at rest.

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/30/palin-contraception/

[BT]

more:

In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself ?pro-contraception? and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence.

?I?m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,? she said during a debate in Juneau.


http://race42008.com/2008/09/06/palin-supports-contraception-sex-education/

[Xavier_Onassis]

Apparently, she failed to tell her own daughter about her change in position. The proof is there for all to see.

And once more, I see more than a bit of hypocrisy in Quayle lambasting a TV character as a bad moral example one year and the Republicans cheering Bristol's being knocked up as some sort of triumph another year. Republicans are dolts when it comes to sex.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"And once more, I see more than a bit of hypocrisy in Quayle lambasting a TV
character as a bad moral example one year and the Republicans cheering Bristol's
being knocked up as some sort of triumph another year"

Thats flawed logic and disingenuous, but a clever lie.

When have Republicans cheered Bristol being knocked up?

What is a triumph is unlike Obama the Palin's do not view the baby as a
"punishment".

Sure it would be easier to take the Obama route.

Sending the daughter off to an obortuary to have the baby killed was not an option.

Thats what is cheered. LIFE!

[Xavier_Onassis]

A teenager with a baby generally spends the rest of her life at the bottom of society, unless she manages to marry out of her plight as an unexperienced, uneducated woman with no skills. All those "pro-lifers" are of little help. Most are out railing about how the puny minimum wage is bad for everyone, which, of course is not even close to true.