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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary suuporter backs McCain over Obama
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2008, 01:27:41 PM »
Right , there is a serious diffrence between "elitist" and "elete" , perhaps even a King could have the common touch , and a pauper might have a terrible attitude twards his inferiors.

Definitely, yes, Plane.

I would point to someone like Robert Kennedy as being someone who is elite.  Also, Princess Diana. 

I think elite is best worn by someone born of low means who has risen to the heights of leadership.  I imagine that most Americans would agree.  That is, after all, pretty much the American Dream.  The American Dream is our greatest story when it is part of an overall narrative.

What I mean is look at the people we treat as heroes by pouring adoration on them.  Just in presidents alone, we could use Clinton and Reagan.  Both born to regular folk, followed different paths but rose to the highest office and historical heights.

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2008, 03:36:40 PM »
Right , there is a serious diffrence between "elitist" and "elete" , perhaps even a King could have the common touch , and a pauper might have a terrible attitude twards his inferiors.


There is no such word as "elete". Go on, look it up. there is the word 'elite' and there is the word 'elitist'. There never has been such a word as 'elete'. Really, honest, I am not making this up.


This de Rothschild creature is certainly not anyone to judge who is elitist and who is not.

We have this old guy with 12 houses and a personal waitstaff that earns $250K per year whose wife has a bazillion dollars and can afford to pay $30K for her stunning Imperial yellow Ming the Merciless threads at the GOP Convention, and somehow he has a "common touch", while a Black guy raised on welfare by a single mom on flyover country is an "elitist".

The Lord and Lady de Rothschild can do anything they want with their bazillions, but I am sure there are many that would enjoy helping them decide where to put them.
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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2008, 05:20:09 PM »
One of the most bizarre memories that will remain of this convention is how the party of the rich, the white and the privileged tried to tag Obama with the "elitist" label.  But even surpassing the absurdity of McCain and Cindy calling Obama an "elitist" is the spectacle of a Rothschild doing so.  It's almost as if the Republican campaign, knowing now for certain that they are headed into a disastrous loss, has abandoned any pretence of being linked to the real world and has embarked on a one-way suicide flight into the outer reaches of fascist fantasy, where McCain and Cindy represent "the little people" and Obama and Michelle are "elitists" threatening their simple, old-fashioned American virtues.

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2008, 05:21:11 PM »
LOL
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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary suuporter backs McCain over Obama
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2008, 05:43:45 PM »

<<I don't see what the problem is, She said Obama is arrogant and is having a hard time connecting to average americans. >>

Uh, let's at least TRY to keep this thing minimally honest.  Here is what she actually said:

<<WASHINGTON (AFP) ? A former supporter and generous donor to Hillary Clinton announced she had endorsed Republican John McCain for president, saying she did so because the Democratic nominee Barack Obama was too elitist.>>

There is the distinction , where is the diffrence?

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2008, 05:52:19 PM »
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We have this old guy with 12 houses and a personal waitstaff that earns $250K per year whose wife has a bazillion dollars and can afford to pay $30K for her stunning Imperial yellow Ming the Merciless threads at the GOP Convention, and somehow he has a "common touch", while a Black guy raised on welfare by a single mom on flyover country is an "elitist".

Let's count the errors of fact in this paragraph.

I count 4 with one more possible.


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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2008, 07:22:23 PM »

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2008, 08:36:50 PM »
One of the most bizarre memories that will remain of this convention is how the party of the rich, the white and the privileged tried to tag Obama with the "elitist" label.  But even surpassing the absurdity of McCain and Cindy calling Obama an "elitist" is the spectacle of a Rothschild doing so.  It's almost as if the Republican campaign, knowing now for certain that they are headed into a disastrous loss, has abandoned any pretence of being linked to the real world and has embarked on a one-way suicide flight into the outer reaches of fascist fantasy, where McCain and Cindy represent "the little people" and Obama and Michelle are "elitists" threatening their simple, old-fashioned American virtues.


This is easily explained with the statement "the larger the lie, the more people will believe it."  It is the heart and core of Rovian brand politics.  When in doubt, lie your ass off.  If you opponent is a war hero, call him a traitor.  If your opponent has risen from meager birth, achieved through hard work and determination only to use his education and industry as a community organizer, call him an elitist.

Carville tried to do it but apparently didn't have the stomach.  He once said that if your opponent is drowning, throw the sonuvabitch an anchor but the implication of that statement is much more defensive than "go for their strength and slit their throats with it."

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2008, 08:38:37 PM »
This is easily explained with the statement "the larger the lie, the more people will believe it." 

Kinda like the Bush lied us into war garbage

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2008, 08:39:30 PM »
There is the distinction , where is the diffrence?  [between arrogance and elitism]

I would say that an arrogant person shows disrespect openly to others, whereas an elitist thinks he is better than others, but won't necessarily speak disrespectfully to them.  Also, an elitist comes from an upper socioeconomic class in society which in general thinks it is entitled to have its interests attended to before the interests of "the rabble."  And thinks it is entitled to a certain amount of deference from "the rabble."  Elitism is an upper-class phenomenon, manifested in the feeling of superiority they derive from having been educated at "exclusive" schools, descended from "illustrious" ancestors, living in exclusive residential areas, etc.  Vacationing for example in Biarritz or Palm Beach rather than St. Tropez or Miami Beach.  Going to Yale rather than University of Michigan. 

Arrogance transcends all social classes.  You can be arrogant without being a member of an elite.  sirs, for instance, is a perfect example of arrogance without a trace of elitism. 

Generally speaking, an elite does not have to work for a living, there is enough family money in trust funds that an elite never has to apply for a job, beg a boss for a second chance or ask for extra vacation time.  This is not always the case, because sometimes an elite family falls upon hard times and its members have to work for a living.  Such was the case with Jacqueline Bouvier, whose family, once one of the wealthiest in America, lost everything in the Depression, forcing Jacquie to work as a journalist.

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2008, 09:19:26 PM »
This is easily explained with the statement "the larger the lie, the more people will believe it." 
Kinda like the Bush lied us into war garbage


So, still? Still?  Still you believe that Bush and his neo-con cult cronies were just honest injuns out to protect America and never told even one little white lie to get at least half of America to support his illegal invasion? 

Do you still believe there are WMD's in Iraq?  Or that we actually found WMD in Iraq?  Do you believe that Hussein had a hand in 9.11?

Even now when you know all bullshit that has gone on over there and how we've been bilked out of billions of dollars and thousands of us more have died in said illegal invasion?  Still?

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2008, 10:44:56 PM »
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I would say that an arrogant person shows disrespect openly to others,

Was Obama's "clinging to guns and God" statement openly disrespectful?

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2008, 10:52:04 PM »
<<Was Obama's "clinging to guns and God" statement openly disrespectful?>>

No, I think he was just accurately describing the predictable and perfectly natural response of an undereducated underclass to factors they don't understand and can't control.

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Re: Top Democratic fundraiser & big Hillary supporter backs McCain over Obama!
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2008, 11:22:49 PM »
Was Obama's "clinging to guns and God" statement openly disrespectful?

It wasn't openly anything: it was something he said in a discussion with his aides in private: it was not meant to be part of any statement to the masses.

It was also true. When people feel insecure, there are increases in both church attendance and gun ownership.
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