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Lawmakers: Financial bailout agreement reached
« on: September 25, 2008, 02:58:49 PM »
Lawmakers: Financial bailout agreement reached 
 
Sep 25 01:53 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writers
http://www.breitbart.com
 
WASHINGTON (AP) - Warned of a possible financial panic, key Republicans and Democrats reported agreement in principle Thursday on a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry and said they would present it to the Bush administration in hopes of a vote within days.
Emerging from a two-hour negotiating session, Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman said, "We are very confident that we can act expeditiously."

"I now expect that we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate (and) be signed by the president," said Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah.

The bipartisan consensus on the general direction of the legislation was reported just hours before President Bush was to host presidential contenders Barack Obama and John McCain and congressional leaders at the White House for discussions on how to clear obstacles to the unpopular rescue plan.

Tony Fratto, the White House deputy press secretary said the announcement was "a good sign that progress is being made."

"We'll want to hear from (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson, and take a look at the details. We look forward to a good discussion at the meeting this afternoon," he said.

On Wall Street, financial markets grew more upbeat as the Dow Jones industrial average at times rose more than 300 points.

Key lawmakers in Washington said at midday that few difficulties actually remained, although no details of their accord were immediately available.

"There really isn't much of a deadlock to break," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

But there were fresh signs of trouble in the House Republican Caucus. A group of GOP lawmakers circulated an alternative designed to attract private capital back into the credit markets with less government intrusion.

Under the proposal, the government would provide insurance to companies that agree to buy frozen assets, rather than purchase them directly as envisioned under the administration's plan. The firms would have to pay insurance premiums to the Treasury Department for the coverage.

"The taxpayers haven't done anything wrong," said Rep Eric Cantor, R-Va., adding that rather than require them to bear the cost of the bailout, the alternative "pretty much puts the burden on Wall Street over time."

Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader, was huddling with McCain on the rescue. Earlier, asked whether the GOP presidential nominee could corral restive Republicans to support the plan, Boehner said, "Who knows?"

And Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the only House Republican in the bargaining meeting, did not directly say he agreed with the other lawmakers who emerged describing an imminent deal.

"There was progress today," said Bachus, the senior Republican on the Financial Services panel.

Bush told the nation in a televised address Wednesday night that passage of the package his administration has proposed is urgently needed to calm the markets and restore confidence in the reeling financial system. His top spokeswoman, Dana Perino, had told reporters earlier Thursday that "significant progress" was being made.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's agreement with Democrats on limiting pay for executives of bailed out financial institutions and giving taxpayers an equity stake in the companies cleared a significant hurdle.

The core of the plan envisions the government buying up sour assets of shaky financial firms in a bid to keep them from going under and to stave off a potentially severe recession.

It was not yet clear how lawmakers had resolved lingering differences over how to phase in the eye-popping cost—a measure demanded by Democrats and some Republicans who want stronger congressional control over the bailout—without spooking markets. A plan to let the government take an ownership stake in troubled companies as part of the rescue, rather than just buying bad debt, also was a topic of intense negotiation.

Bush acknowledged Wednesday night that the bailout would be a "tough vote" for lawmakers. But he said failing to approve it would risk dire consequences for the economy and most Americans.

"Without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic, and a distressing scenario would unfold," Bush said as he worked to resurrect the unpopular bailout package. "Our entire economy is in danger."

Obama and McCain called for a bipartisan effort to deal with the crisis, little more than five weeks before national elections in which the economy has emerged as the dominant theme.

Presidential politics intruded, nonetheless, when McCain on Wednesday asked Obama to agree to delay their first debate, scheduled for Friday, to deal with the meltdown. Obama said the debate should go ahead.
 

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Re: Lawmakers: Financial bailout agreement reached
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 03:27:35 PM »
But, but, but, McCain has to get in there!  There's a crisis!  He can't make the debates!  He's supposed to be helping with the crisis!

This just makes it look like his excuse just went up in smoke!

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 03:53:02 PM »
<<But, but, but, McCain has to get in there!  There's a crisis!  He can't make the debates!  He's supposed to be helping with the crisis!

<<This just makes it look like his excuse just went up in smoke!>>

Yeah, but at the same time, watch him try to hog all the credit - - it's because of his rush to Washington that this thing came to fruition.  He did it all.

I think the guy's fucked.  No matter what he does, nobody believes him.  If he tries to claim the credit, he'll look like the pathetic liar that he is, and if he rushed to Washington for nothing, he's a panic-prone ass.  No, things do not look good in War-Monger-Land.

I'd love to go back to those Letterman tapes again.  They are hilarious.

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Re: Lawmakers: Financial bailout agreement reached
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 04:10:27 PM »
Isn't Barry a still a Senator? Maybe he should do his job.

Maybe he feels he's above all that stuff he was elected to do. That'll go over big with Americans.

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 04:21:34 PM »
I think the guy's fucked.  No matter what he does, nobody believes him.  If he tries to claim the credit, he'll look like the pathetic liar that he is, and if he rushed to Washington for nothing, he's a panic-prone ass. 


I wonder if you ever cared what he does or says.

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 04:36:38 PM »
Isn't Barry a still a Senator? Maybe he should do his job.

Maybe he feels he's above all that stuff he was elected to do. That'll go over big with Americans.

The situation was being handled by the people who are supposed to be handling it.  McCain nor Obama have no reason to be in the negotiations.

All they need to do is be there to vote nay or yea on the bill when it comes up.

What is going to be interesting is finding out which one McCain is going to vote or if he will be absent AGAIN.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 04:39:19 PM »
Isn't Barry a still a Senator? Maybe he should do his job.

Maybe he feels he's above all that stuff he was elected to do. That'll go over big with Americans.

The situation was being handled by the people who are supposed to be handling it.  McCain nor Obama have no reason to be in the negotiations.

All they need to do is be there to vote nay or yea on the bill when it comes up.

What is going to be interesting is finding out which one McCain is going to vote or if he will be absent AGAIN.


Are they not leaders in their partys?

Is it not likely that one of them will have to cope with this new law as President?

That is two good reasons to get involved right there.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 05:07:11 PM »

Are they not leaders in their partys?

Is it not likely that one of them will have to cope with this new law as President?

That is two good reasons to get involved right there.

I would agree that they should be kept apprised regarding particulars and the plan but they are not the president yet and like it or not, Bush is still the "decider" and whoever wins in November is simply just going to have to deal with it.

Of course, they should be allowed to offer suggestions to those hammering out details but they don't have default power or control over the ultimate decisions.

Debate will continue as planned.

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2008, 05:15:13 PM »
The next debate was supposed to be on the subject of Foreighn Policy , McCains strong suit.

But recent events bring the public intrest to home and to Wall Street , where BHO is more likely to be McCains equal , it is a lucky break for Obama ,in some ways.

What is unlucky for them both , is that neither of them predicted this or worked against it in recent months or years , and as President one of them is going to have to cope with it , while the other will be fumeing in the senate.

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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 06:33:00 PM »
The next debate was supposed to be on the subject of Foreighn Policy , McCains strong suit.

But recent events bring the public intrest to home and to Wall Street , where BHO is more likely to be McCains equal , it is a lucky break for Obama ,in some ways.

What is unlucky for them both , is that neither of them predicted this or worked against it in recent months or years , and as President one of them is going to have to cope with it , while the other will be fumeing in the senate.

I don't think any of this is reason to change one thing about the debate tomorrow night.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 08:51:19 PM »
The next debate was supposed to be on the subject of Foreign Policy , McCain's strong suit.

But recent events bring the public intrest to home and to Wall Street , where BHO is more likely to be McCain's equal , it is a lucky break for Obama ,in some ways.

What is unlucky for them both , is that neither of them predicted this or worked against it in recent months or years , and as President one of them is going to have to cope with it , while the other will be fuming in the senate.

I don't think any of this is reason to change one thing about the debate tomorrow night.

I agree.

 McCain is making a symbolic stand , Obama has a good point about multitasking , ...

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Re: Lawmakers: Financial bailout agreement reached
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 11:26:42 PM »
>>The situation was being handled by the people who are supposed to be handling it.<<

Huh? Wouldn't that be members of the Senate and the House? Of which both of them are members?

Sorry but you're not doing very well deflecting here. It's there job to be there, especially when something as big as this is at stake. If Barry considers his own ambitious more important than his country fine. America will see what matters to him. We know what matters to McCain.

Country First.

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 11:51:57 PM »
<<Huh? Wouldn't that be members of the Senate and the House? Of which both of them are members?>>

Well, according to my understanding most of the work in both houses is done in Committee, either standing Committees or Special Committees, and there's probably a House Committee and a Senate Committee right now - - or maybe due to the alleged urgency, a Joint Committee - - working out the details.

Neither Obama nor McCain is a Committee member and thus has no immediate role to play in the crafting of this legislation.  It's therefore hard to view McCain's supposed anxiety to get into the act at this point as anything other than empty grandstanding.  I only hope that the Democratic campaign organizers are able to get this idea across to the sheeple in a form that the sheeple can easily comprehend.

If for example the deal falls apart, perhaps this can be pinned on McCain's interference.  Unfortunately, since Obama also went to Washington, that tactic is a two-way street.  I guess in the end, Obama had to go to Washington out of fear that McCain would upstage him and claim the credit for any deal that was ultimately sealed.  But a real leader could have stood aside AND crafted an effective message that would demonstrate both McCain's empty grandstanding and his total lack of influence on the outcome. 

It's the measure of Obama's shortcoming as a leader that (a) he lacked the confidence to let McCain proceed alone to Washington (confidence in his own ability to craft AND SELL his message to the electorate) (b) he let McCain steal a march on him, since it was apparently he who first contacted McCain with the idea that both would cooperate on this issue and (c) he wound up in the public eye following McCain to Washington, i.e., letting McCain set the agenda for both of them.  THIS WAS BAD.  VERY BAD.

To make things worse, if I could return to (b) above, I would also fault Obama for contacting the other guy in the race when the other guy has clearly lost the momentum, and propose a joint action, unless you've got such control over the joint action that there is no way in hell that the other guy, as happened here, can seize the initiative in the joint action that Obama himself had proposed.  THAT is really inept.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 12:20:12 AM »
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THAT is really inept.

Perhaps he will learn from this experience.


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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 12:25:14 AM »
<<Perhaps he will learn from this experience.>>

If he were as smart as I thought he was, he wouldn't have to.