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McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« on: October 04, 2008, 06:43:32 PM »


Which candidate is the best debater? Results
Q. The presidential candidates and their running mates have tackled the issues face to face for the first time in widely watched debates.

Who impressed you most with their preparation and presentation at the podium?
Joe Biden    12%
John McCain    9%
Barack Obama    37%
Sarah Palin    39%
Not sure/No opinion    2%
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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 07:15:27 PM »
Meanwhile Palin beats THE ONE

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 07:25:40 PM »
Meanwhile Palin beats THE ONE

To bad she aint #1 on the ticket! Bwahahaha!

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 07:27:12 PM »
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Meanwhile Palin beats THE ONE

You guys are the idiots who keep implying that Palin needs to be ready from day one.


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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 07:28:22 PM »
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Meanwhile Palin beats THE ONE

You guys are the idiots who keep implying that Palin needs to be ready from day one.



That dolt wont be ready from day 30001!

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 07:31:00 PM »
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That dolt wont be ready from day 30001!

Lowering the bar again. Meanwhile she is a better debater than your constitutional law professor.

LOL

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 07:47:38 PM »
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That dolt wont be ready from day 30001!

Lowering the bar again. Meanwhile she is a better debater than your constitutional law professor.

LOL

In your dreams. She debated Joe Biden . Barak would make her look like the retard she is. I sure would love to see that , but it will never happen *Sigh*

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 07:53:18 PM »
The people have spoken:

Who impressed you most with their preparation and presentation at the podium?
Joe Biden    12%
John McCain    9%
Barack Obama    37%
Sarah Palin    39%

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 07:58:32 PM »
The people have spoken:

Who impressed you most with their preparation and presentation at the podium?
Joe Biden    12%
John McCain    9%
Barack Obama    37%
Sarah Palin    39%


Kinda like Joe Louis beating Ali. You dont know until the game which is why they play them.

But this is a silly argumaent. What happened to the RW Allstar team? They have been silent and largely absent since O took a big lead. Must be liking their wounds or worse

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 11:00:51 PM »
All I know is you posted the poll that says Palin was the most impressive of all the debaters.

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 05:51:31 PM »
All I know is you posted the poll that says Palin was the most impressive of all the debaters.

She was and this is the result:





October 5, 2008
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Pitbull Palin Mauls McCain

By FRANK RICH
SARAH PALIN’S post-Couric/Fey comeback at last week’s vice presidential debate was a turning point in the campaign. But if she “won,” as her indulgent partisans and press claque would have it, the loser was not Joe Biden. It was her running mate. With a month to go, the 2008 election is now an Obama-Palin race — about “the future,” as Palin kept saying Thursday night — and the only person who doesn’t seem to know it is Mr. Past, poor old John McCain.

To understand the meaning of Palin’s “victory,” it must be seen in the context of two ominous developments that directly preceded it. Just hours before the debate began, the McCain campaign pulled out of Michigan. That state is ground zero for the collapsed Main Street economy and for so-called Reagan Democrats, those white working-class voters who keep being told by the right that Barack Obama is a Muslim who hung with bomb-throwing radicals during his childhood in the late 1960s.

McCain surrendered Michigan despite having outspent his opponent on television advertising and despite Obama’s twin local handicaps, an unpopular Democratic governor and a felonious, now former, black Democratic Detroit mayor. If McCain can’t make it there, can he make it anywhere in the Rust Belt?

Not without an economic message. McCain’s most persistent attempt, his self-righteous crusade against earmarks, collapsed with his poll numbers. Next to a $700 billion bailout package, his incessant promise to eliminate all Washington pork — by comparison, a puny grand total of $16.5 billion in the 2008 federal budget — doesn’t bring home the bacon. Nor can McCain reconcile his I-will-veto-government-waste mantra with his support, however tardy, of the bailout bill. That bill’s $150 billion in fresh pork includes a boondoggle inserted by the Congressman Don Young, an Alaskan Republican no less.

The second bit of predebate news, percolating under the radar, involved the still-unanswered questions about McCain’s health. Back in May, you will recall, the McCain campaign allowed a select group of 20 reporters to spend a mere three hours examining (but not photocopying) 1,173 pages of the candidate’s health records on the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Conspicuously uninvited was Lawrence Altman, a doctor who covers medicine for The New York Times. Altman instead canvassed melanoma experts to evaluate the sketchy data that did emerge. They found the information too “unclear” to determine McCain’s cancer prognosis.

There was, however, at least one doctor-journalist among those 20 reporters in May, the CNN correspondent Sanjay Gupta. At the time, Gupta told Katie Couric on CBS that the medical records were “pretty comprehensive” and wrote on his CNN blog that he was “pretty convinced there was no ‘smoking gun’ about the senator’s health.” (Physical health, that is; Gupta wrote there was hardly any information on McCain’s mental health.)

That was then. Now McCain is looking increasingly shaky, whether he’s repeating his “Miss Congeniality” joke twice in the same debate or speaking from notecards even when reciting a line for (literally) the 17th time (“The fundamentals of our economy are strong”) or repeatedly confusing proper nouns that begin with S (Sunni, Shia, Sudan, Somalia, Spain). McCain’s “dismaying temperament,” as George Will labeled it, only thickens the concerns. His kamikaze mission into Washington during the bailout crisis seemed crazed. His seething, hostile debate countenance — a replay of Al Gore’s sarcastic sighing in 2000 — didn’t make the deferential Obama look weak (as many Democrats feared) but elevated him into looking like the sole presidential grown-up.

Though CNN and MSNBC wouldn’t run a political ad with doctors questioning McCain’s medical status, Gupta revisited the issue in an interview published last Tuesday by The Huffington Post. While maintaining a pretty upbeat take on the candidate’s health, the doctor-journalist told the reporter Sam Stein that he couldn’t vouch “by any means” for the completeness of the records the campaign showed him four months ago. “The pages weren’t numbered,” Gupta said, “so I had no way of knowing what was missing.” At least in Watergate we knew that the gap on Rose Mary Woods’s tape ran 18 and a half minutes.

It’s against this backdrop that Palin’s public pronouncements, culminating with her debate performance, have been so striking. The standard take has it that she’s either speaking utter ignorant gibberish (as to Couric) or reciting highly polished, campaign-written sound bites that she’s memorized (as at the convention and the debate). But there’s a steady unnerving undertone to Palin’s utterances, a consistent message of hubristic self-confidence and hyper-ambition. She wants to be president, she thinks she can be president, she thinks she will be president. And perhaps soon. She often sounds like someone who sees herself as half-a-heartbeat away from the presidency. Or who is seen that way by her own camp, the hard-right G.O.P. base that never liked McCain anyway and views him as, at best, a White House place holder.

This was first apparent when Palin extolled a “small town” vice president as a hero in her convention speech — and cited not one of the many Republican vice presidents who fit that bill but, bizarrely, Harry Truman, a Democrat who succeeded a president who died in office. A few weeks later came Charlie Gibson’s question about whether she thought she was “experienced enough” and “ready” when McCain invited her to join his ticket. Palin replied that she didn’t “hesitate” and didn’t “even blink” — a response that seemed jarring for its lack of any human modesty, even false modesty.

In the last of her Couric interview installments on Thursday, Palin was asked which vice president had most impressed her, and after paying tribute to Geraldine Ferraro, she chose “George Bush Sr.” Her criterion: she most admires vice presidents “who have gone on to the presidency.” Hours later, at the debate, she offered a discordant contrast to Biden when asked by Gwen Ifill how they would each govern “if the worst happened” and the president died in office. After Biden spoke of somber continuity, Palin was weirdly flip and chipper, eager to say that as a “maverick” she’d go her own way.

But the debate’s most telling passage arrived when Biden welled up in recounting his days as a single father after his first wife and one of his children were killed in a car crash. Palin’s perky response — she immediately started selling McCain as a “consummate maverick” again — was as emotionally disconnected as Michael Dukakis’s notoriously cerebral answer to the hypothetical 1988 debate question about his wife being “raped and murdered.” If, as some feel, Obama is cool, Palin is ice cold. She didn’t even acknowledge Biden’s devastating personal history.

After the debate, Republicans who had been bailing on Palin rushed back to the fold. They know her relentless ambition is the only hope for saving a ticket headed by a warrior who is out of juice and out of ideas. So what if she is preposterously unprepared to run the country in the midst of its greatest economic crisis in 70 years? She looks and sounds like a winner.

You can understand why they believe that. She has more testosterone than anyone else at the top of her party. McCain and his surrogates are forever blaming their travails on others, wailing about supposed sexist and journalistic biases around the clock. McCain even canceled an interview with Larry King, for heaven’s sake, in a fit of pique at a CNN anchor, Campbell Brown.

We are not a nation of whiners, as Phil Gramm would have it, but the G.O.P. is now the party of whiners. That rebranding became official when Republican House leaders moaned that a routine partisan speech by Nancy Pelosi had turned their members against the bailout bill. As the stock market fell nearly 778 points, Barney Frank taunted his G.O.P. peers with pitch-perfect mockery: “Somebody hurt my feelings, so I will punish the country!”

Talk about the world coming full circle. This is the same Democrat who had been slurred as “Barney Fag” in the mid-1990s by Dick Armey, a House leader of the government-bashing Gingrich revolution that helped lower us into this debacle. Now Frank was ridiculing the House G.O.P. as a bunch of sulking teenage girls. His wisecrack stung — and stuck.

Palin is an antidote to the whiny Republican image that Frank nailed. Alaska’s self-styled embodiment of Joe Sixpack is not a sulker, but a pistol-packing fighter. That’s why she draws the crowds and (as she puts it) “energy” that otherwise elude the angry McCain. But she is still the candidate for vice president, not president. Americans do not vote for vice president.

So how can a desperate G.O.P. save itself? As McCain continues to fade into incoherence and irrelevance, the last hope is that he’ll come up with some new game-changing stunt to match his initial pick of Palin or his ill-fated campaign “suspension.” Until Thursday night, more than a few Republicans were fantasizing that his final Hail Mary pass would be to ditch Palin so she can “spend more time” with her ever-growing family. But the debate reminded Republicans once again that it’s Palin, not McCain, who is their last hope for victory.

You have to wonder how long it will be before they plead with him to think of his health, get out of the way and pull the ultimate stunt of flipping the ticket. Palin, we can be certain, wouldn’t even blink.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
   

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 09:15:00 PM »
It's not her fault that Obama decided unwisely to run against her. And it certainly isn't her fault that they thought it pertinent to remind everyone that McCain was 72 years old and a 3 time cancer survivor, and that Palin could very well end up as President.




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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 10:00:05 PM »
It's not her fault that Obama decided unwisely to run against her. And it certainly isn't her fault that they thought it pertinent to remind everyone that McCain was 72 years old and a 3 time cancer survivor, and that Palin could very well end up as President.





So you admit she is really the candidate. Even if she did it honestly, she would still lose unless the American people insist on electing stupid shits like Bush. Will thet ever learn?

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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 10:05:04 PM »
If she is the candidate she has more experience and is a better debater,


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Re: McCain Comes in dead last Not even close
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 10:11:12 PM »
If she is the candidate she has more experience and is a better debater,



If she were to run right now, she would be toast. Being a better debater aint worth much (ask Kerry) and being experienced is the loser this year(ask Hillary)
(See I can participate in the silliness that passes for debating in this dump)
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