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HOW DEMOCRATS CAN DEFEAT OBAMA, SEE McCAIN WIN, STILL GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND RESPECT THEMSELVES IN THE MORNING.
Politics makes strange bedfellows. But one fellow most Democrats know they don't want to be in bed with is Barack Obama. The other choice, John McCain, doesn't sound too appealing to many Democrats either. The third choice is, as Sarah Palin would no doubt support, is abstinence. But the argument some make is that abstinence is the same as voting for John McCain. And it is.

Many Democrats seem to be going through a period of conflict over this election. They see Obama for what he is, a dishonest, snake oil salesman, unfit and unqualified to be President, throwing out one sweet talking lie after another at the political Mr. Goodbar, trying to pick up as many votes as he can get. And while most reject him, they also are recoiling over the idea of having a one night stand with a Republican, any Republican, though the guilty pleasure of having Obama lose and cheating on the cheater is too good to resist.But what they worry about the most is , how will they feel in the morning?

Many of these are Clinton supporters who very much wanted to see Hillary Clinton get the nomination for a variety of reasons, including the historic ones. And while many supported Clinton for the breakthroughs she represented to women, the real reason Clinton was the superior candidate had nothing to do with gender. She was simply the superior and more qualified candidate. And Obama clearly unqualified and from a character point of view, unfit.

And so what would make a Clinton supporter who viewed Obama as the clearly inferior candidate even consider voting for him now for President? the only reason seems to be either guilt over voting for a Republican, or a sense of not cheating on the Democratic Party, a party that this year cheated on them and violated every rule, procedure and principle of democracy in order to have to a nominee that the majority of the party voted against.

There is also the ongoing belief that a Democrat, any Democrat, would be better than a Republican in the White House. And in most cases that would be true. But not this year.

The truth is, there are more good reasons to defeat Obama and the Obamacrats than to elect him, even for the staunchest of Democrats.

For those who actually think Barack Obama is qualified to be President,no amount of truth, logic or reason is going to change their minds. To do so means having to admit they were taken in and made fools of, and as any cop will tell you, most con men get away with their con because their marks are so embarrassed to admit they were taken they just keep quiet.

Obama is simply unfit to be President in any way. Whether it was his serial lying about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright and what he knew and when he knew it, and the fact that he was more than willing to tolerate Wright's views of 911, and his views on race and never felt offended enough to walk out, to his lying to the people of Ohio about NAFTA and his other reversals and broken pledges on everything from public financing of campaigns to FISA, he is simply not someone you want to take home to the White House.

Aside from his dishonesty, clinical narcissism and almost pathological lack of conscience,.he has no ability to do the job he is seeking and has never in his life ever exhibited even the smallest evidence that he could do it. On the basis of integrity, there is nothing to consider. Obama has no integrity and as far as we can see from his past, never did..

McCain on the other hand, though one can disagree with some of his policies, has in fact demonstrated that he is willing to stand up for what he believes, and more importantly, stand up to Republicans which, based on some of Obama's policy statements makes Obama sound more Republican than McCain.

Yes McCain has agreed with Bush on a lot of things but Obama has actually agreed with Bush on more and based on his public pronouncements, its Obama that sounds more like a Bush 3rd term than McCain.. Obama has endorsed Bush's faith based initiatives which are clearly unconstitutional, endorsed Bush's position on Iraq ( let the commanders on the ground decide), now says he supported the surge, reversed himself on off shore drilling so his position is now more Republican, reversed himself on the DC gun ban, and has said that the Republican Party is the party of ideas.

So for those Democrats are have been reluctant to vote for a Republican or see a Republican win on ideological grounds, what is it that they think they are getting with Obama?.

McCain on the other hand has broken with Republicans when his conscience told him too, incurred the wrath of Rush Limbaugh and conservatives over his position on illegal immigration, daring to take a more humane approach, and before that, incurred the wrath of many in his party with the McCain Feingold bill in which McCain joined forces with one of the Senates most liberal Democrats to pass campaign finance reform. And sticking to that philosophy is campaigning using public financing, while Obama who pledged to use public financing reneged on it as soon as he became the nominee leaving MoveOn, Maureen Dowd, and editors across the country feeling used and with tears on their pillows.

Like it or not, the record shows McCain is the real reformer and the real deal, while Obama is what most of the 18 million Democrats who voted against him know him to be -- a snake oil salesman who has managed to bamboozle a lot of dumb, and impressionable people hanging out and the Democratic Mr. Goodbar, especially the dumb media blonds like Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and almost everyone at Newsweek, the NY times and CNN who he has eating out of hand.

The other thing to keep in mind about McCain is that he is rated last by conservative groups in supporting conservative legislation. His voting record is ranked 49th among Republican Senators by conservative watch dog groups which is why a lot of conservatives cant stand him. In other words, disaffected liberal Democrats who cant possibly in good conscience vote for Obama could do a lot worse than bringing McCain home to mother.

How absurd is the idea of Obama as President? Think about Obama being put in charge of the country's nuclear codes. I know. It almost makes you laugh out loud. Do I think that Obama would actually do something stupid with those codes? No. I bring it up to point out the true absurdity of Obama being elected President, and to put a fine point on the realities of and the enormity of the job and its responsibilities and how woefully and laughably inadequate Barack Obama is to those responsibilities.

The final argument people try to use on Democrats who don't support Obama is Roe v.Wade and that a McCain presidency would put that in danger. That is utter nonsense and fear mongering and the people trying to use it to scare people know it.

First, regardless of McCain's personal opinions there is no indication that overturning Roe is in any way a priority or even a desire for him. Secondly, no President has been more outspoken against Roe and has made his preferences more clearly known than Bush and even with two conservative Supreme Court appointees it didn't happen, has never come close to happening, and wouldn't happen under McCain. And for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that even Scalia has expressed a great reluctance to overturn long standing precedent,especially that which would cause great social upheaval unless there were great, immediate and pressing concerns.And then there is always the issue of who would have standing to bring a direct challenge to Roe and the answer is practically no one or it would have happened already.

Roe is no concern in a McCain presidency.

Aside from Obama's unfitness for the job ( which is reason enough) the other compelling reason for an Obama defeat is to reform and fumigate the Democratic Party which Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Chuck Schumer and others has turned into the Obamacratic Party which becomes more and more of an embarrassment every day as Pelosi's disastrous performance with the bailout bill proved.

Obama is the nominee because of a dishonest primary in which these same people, along with the press did everything possible to sell Obama as the nominee and do it dishonestly as they knew how including rigging the roll call vote violating every Democratic Party rule and procedure in the process.

Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Fowler and every member of the DNC who engineered and went along with fixing the process needs to go. Those who wont resign ( though I think many will after an Obama defeat) need to have their power and their base removed, so the that the Democratic Party can air itself out. And the only way that can happen is with an Obama loss. And the bigger the better.

And with McCain promising that he will only serve one term, that becomes even more attractive. In 2012 there will be two new candidates running even if McCain wins

Twenty-five years ago the Republican Party got through Watergate. This year the Democratic Party has to go through Fumigate and it can start with a big Obama loss. And on the morning of November 5th, with a McCain victory, the majority of Democrats can wake up, open the windows and let in the fresh air. And they can feel good about the night before and McCain winning. Even if its only a one night stand.

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Democrats don't want to defeat Democrats, fool.

Obama is humongously better qualified than McCain.

A Summa Cum Laude from Harvard beats the spotty education Palin got at five different schools every time.

McCain is no maverick, he's just slightly more competent than Juniorbush. Not a hard thing to do.
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RD I spoke with friends in Iowa late last night. They are life-long Democrats and they said they will not vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I was surprised because they are big union supporters, work at John Deere, and have always voted Democrat. They echoed your sentiments they said "we just dont trust him". Of course I didn't argue with them!
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RD I spoke with friends in Iowa late last night. They are life-long Democrats and they said they will not vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I was surprised because they are big union supporters, work at John Deere, and have always voted Democrat. They echoed your sentiments they said "we just dont trust him". Of course I didn't argue with them!

I wouldnt admit to voting for O to you either if I didnt have a tongue depressor handy for the fit that would surely follow. But , being friends of yours, they are probly just as racist so no surprise here either.

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If McCain did not seek to benefit from racism, then he would  have nominated Condi Rice, wouldn't he?

WE know that even if he had nominated Dick Cheney, you schlubs would still vote GOB
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If McCain did not seek to benefit from racism, then he would  have nominated Condi Rice, wouldn't he?

Do you know that he did not talk to her and she did not want the job?
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Did you? You seem to know everything. Or claim to, anyway.
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Did you? You seem to know everything. Or claim to, anyway.

Nope, but then again I didn't make the claim.

Either one.
Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. (Benjamin Franklin)

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<<Do you know that he did not talk to her . . . >>

Yeah, THAT'S easy to believe and for obvious reasons too.

<< . . . and she did not want the job?>>

And, uhh . . . THAT'S a little harder to believe.

I think if you're after the white racist vote, short of nominating a KKK in a hood, Sarah Palin is a pretty good second choice.  Condi was only one of several good Republican blacks who could have been picked, all with TONS more experience than Conservative Barbie, but inexplicably passed over, for reasons that will never be satisfactorily explained, not in public, anyway.

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Ahh, so no evidence other than "it's obvious."
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Condi Rice is soon to be unemployed. She likes the attention and soon shall have it no more. It would stand to reason that she would have accepted the nomination, but then McCain would have lost the racist vote. Obama is half Black and was raised by White folks, so from that perspective, he is less Black than Condi.

We can only wait until she and others write their memoirs for the answer as to whether she was offered the nomination. However, I say the odds are she was not. Just as Palin was chosen as a stunt, Rice was not chosen, because it was a riskier stunt.

Imagine giving racists no one but Bob Barr to turn to.
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I would have liked Condi Rice as veep.

Lots of people would , ..

..but McCain seems to think that Bush supporters don't need to be courted as much as independants do.

I don't think that McCain is going to keep much of the Bush cabinet.

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I don't think that McCain is going to keep much of the Bush cabinet.
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I can't see him ditching Paulson right away, but the rest of them are history. I imagine that Paulson will have a role in the next government with Obama or whoever.

McCain is going down. He will never become president anyway. Only racism could put him in office. He is doomed.
This time next year, he will be tooling around the golf courses of Arizona, kidding around with Budweiser lobbyists on vacation.

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I don't think that McCain is going to keep much of the Bush cabinet.
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I can't see him ditching Paulson right away, but the rest of them are history. I imagine that Paulson will have a role in the next government with Obama or whoever.

McCain is going down. He will never become president anyway. Only racism could put him in office. He is doomed.
This time next year, he will be tooling around the golf courses of Arizona, kidding around with Budweiser lobbyists on vacation.



Next year Budweiser lobbyists will have a Belgin accent.

I wonder if they would fly to the Golf course in a black helicopter?

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Next year Budweiser lobbyists will have a Belgin accent.

I wonder if they would fly to the Golf course in a black helicopter?

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THere is no such think as a Belgian accent. No one on the planet speaks 'Belgian'.
Belgium is a mostly bilingual country: Belgians speak Walloons, a dialect of French in the South, and Flemish, a dialect of Dutch in the north. There are a few German speakers near the border with Luxembourg. The French understand Walloons perfectly, and the Dutch understand Flemish. Most Belgians I have met speak very good English. I suspect that those who stay in Belgium speak it less well.

I doubt they'd be using black helicopters. I don't believe in Belgian black helicopters, as I have pointed out.
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