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Xavier_Onassis

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Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« on: October 21, 2008, 08:29:24 PM »
1. McCain/Palin, Republican Party

2. Obama/Biden, Democratic Party

Then there were:

3. Gloria La Riva/ Eugene Puryear, Party for Socialism and Liberation

4. Chuck Baldwin/ Darrell Castle, Constitution Party

5. Gene Amondson/ Leroy Pletten, Prohibition Party

6. Bob Barr/ Wayne Root, Libertarian Party

7. Thomas Robert Stevens/ Alden Link, Objectivist Party

8. James Harris/Alyson Kennedy, Socialist Workers Party

9. Cynthia McKinney/ Rosa Clemente, Green Party

10. Alan Keyes/ Brian Rohrbough, American's Independent Party

11. Ralph Nader/ Matt Gonzalez, ECO (Independent is the listing)

12. Brian Moore/ Stewart Alexander  Socialist

13. Charles Jay/ John Wayne Smith Boston Tea Party

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I am unsure of what the Boston Tea Party stands for. I think they should be running Earl Grey, however.

George Wallace's Party was called the American Independent Party. I guess that explains why Alan Keyes' Party has the apostrophe.




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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 09:26:29 PM »
I am unsure of what the Boston Tea Party stands for. I think they should be running Earl Grey, however.

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The Boston Tea Party is an American libertarian political party founded in 2006 by people who were unhappy with the direction the United States Libertarian Party was taking.

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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »
The Party for Socialism and Liberation ("PSL") looks good.  Here's its website:

http://www.pslweb.org/site/PageServer

They seem to be a genuine Marxist Revolutionary Party with good positive attitude toward both Cuba and China.  I thought the website, which looked interesting and well-done, might provide some insight into party antecedents, expecting to see that it was a fusion of some earlier and rapidly-shrinking student revolutionary parties of the Sixties, but there is virtually no history at all connected to it.

The problem, I guess, is how do they break through the glass ceiling that keeps them down with the students, the hippies and artists and start to attract a mass following?  The only answer that I can see is the old Leninist maxim, "Things have to get worse before they can get better."  In other words, a McCain/Palin victory at the polls, not an Obama/Biden one.

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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 12:32:47 AM »
The Party for Socialism and Liberation ("PSL") looks good.  Here's its website:

http://www.pslweb.org/site/PageServer

They seem to be a genuine Marxist Revolutionary Party with good positive attitude toward both Cuba and China.  I thought the website, which looked interesting and well-done, might provide some insight into party antecedents, expecting to see that it was a fusion of some earlier and rapidly-shrinking student revolutionary parties of the Sixties, but there is virtually no history at all connected to it.

The problem, I guess, is how do they break through the glass ceiling that keeps them down with the students, the hippies and artists and start to attract a mass following?  The only answer that I can see is the old Leninist maxim, "Things have to get worse before they can get better."  In other words, a McCain/Palin victory at the polls, not an Obama/Biden one.


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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 09:39:01 AM »
How clever of the Libertarians to split into factions. The guy running for Pres on the Objectivist ticket appears to be a former Stonewall Gay activist. But maybe not, as Thomas Robert Stevens is a fairly common name. Both photos look sort of like the same chubby guy.

Ayn Rand had no gay characters in any of her books. Most of her characters were to cardboardy to actually have sex. I think she did a few sex scenes, though none as steamy as one sees in the biopic made about her, "The Passion of Ayn Rand".

When one combines a passion for money with a passion for sex, each issue seems to get clouded by the other.
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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 06:49:06 PM »
How clever of the Libertarians to split into factions. The guy running for Pres on the Objectivist ticket appears to be a former Stonewall Gay activist. But maybe not, as Thomas Robert Stevens is a fairly common name. Both photos look sort of like the same chubby guy.

Ayn Rand had no gay characters in any of her books. Most of her characters were to cardboardy to actually have sex. I think she did a few sex scenes, though none as steamy as one sees in the biopic made about her, "The Passion of Ayn Rand".

When one combines a passion for money with a passion for sex, each issue seems to get clouded by the other.

Wealth and power are not aphrodisiac?

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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 08:09:10 PM »
Wealth and power are not aphrodisiac?

Perhaps, but Ayn Rand never achieved much more power than that of a cult figure. I suppose she made some money from her books, but she was hardly any sort of tycoon.

She did have a passion for money. She bragged about selfishness as a virtue.

She made her husband and Nathaniel Brandon's wife agree to allow her and Brandon to have wild trysts, bit when Brandon decided to do a bit of trysting on his own, she went ape and ejected him from the Foundation in a very abrupt manner. It was particularly upsetting to her that his lover was philosophically way to inconsistent, she said.
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Re: Thirteen Candidates! Wow!
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 10:04:54 PM »
Wealth and power are not aphrodisiac?

Perhaps, but Ayn Rand never achieved much more power than that of a cult figure. I suppose she made some money from her books, but she was hardly any sort of tycoon.

She did have a passion for money. She bragged about selfishness as a virtue.

She made her husband and Nathaniel Brandon's wife agree to allow her and Brandon to have wild trysts, bit when Brandon decided to do a bit of trysting on his own, she went ape and ejected him from the Foundation in a very abrupt manner. It was particularly upsetting to her that his lover was philosophically way to inconsistent, she said.

She wrote a good book , but I would not call her well adjusted.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 11:54:26 AM »
Ayn Rand's only really great book was We the Living, about the Russian Revolution. The closest thing to an autobiography that she wrote. She had talent as a writer, but her ideology increasingly took precedence over her writing talent.

Hegel said that history is a chain of actions and reactions. Rand was the daughter of a prosperous atheistic Jewish pharmacy owner. She became the antithesis of Jewish (hence the changed names) and Leninism. Her worship was of money and people who made fistfuls of it. Instead of a cross or a star of David, she wore a dollar sign on a chain around her neck. We the Living is the story of how she became transformed from a Marxist into a writer.

Lamentably, she continued changing and became transformed from a writer into an ideological hack. Objectivism isn't a coherent philosophy anymore than Stalinism is. It's more of a godless cult, the flip side of Stalinism. Rand became the flip side of Stalin, or perhaps Lenin.


The Fountainhead was not nearly so good, but passable.

He best known work, Atlas Shrugged was not only way too long, but the characters were all cardboard puppets, like a Punch and Judy show on economic theory for adults who had no real experience with well-written novels.

After that, it was steeply downhill. She surrounded herself with sycophants and they urged her to write more and more polemically.

As for well-balanced, good writers tend to make really poor role models.

Mussolini funded a film based on We the Living, made at his new Italian Hollywood CineCitta, but when he saw it, he really hated it, because it was as much against dictatorship as it was against Marx. He ordered it destroyed, but of course, Italy is Italy, and a copy or two remained.

I don;t think it is very good. But it would be a great film to remake.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 12:40:00 PM »
Personally, I thought Anthem was her best work.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 01:12:56 PM »
Anthem.  Ugh. I started it about five times. Ugh. All I can say.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 04:40:48 PM »
Personally, I thought Anthem was her best work.

Hey that is my favoriate too.


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