Author Topic: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose  (Read 7807 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Brassmask

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2600
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« on: November 26, 2008, 03:14:40 PM »
It might delight some of you to know that there is a brewing schism at the DailyKos.

It has developed into a We Can  Question vs We Can Give Him A Chance type of debate.  ( http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/26/81449/747/575/666595 )

As it stands right now, everyone is still onboard the Obama Express full steam ahead but there are also lots of folks like me who are "guarded but hopeful".

There is great concern that he has hired too many old hands from the Clinton era.  Some feel that it is a good thing and defend his choices as being the best and brightest.  Some feel that he has been hoodwinked and he's going to be made a figurehead by the Clintons (who many feel are just left of center neo-cons).

Personally, I'm holding out till after the inauguration then if he screws the left over, it will be Katy bar the door.

BSB

  • Guest
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 03:54:30 PM »
Here we go. Bush was a figurehead, Obama's a figurehead. It's all a conspiracy........blah....blah....blah.
What did you think, everyone was going to be wearing tie-die's again, and the Lion was going to lay down with the Lamb?

Christians4LessGvt

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11160
    • View Profile
    • "The Religion Of Peace"
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 06:23:14 PM »
I agree Brass I bet some on the Left are going crazy....
How can they be pleased that Obama the man of "Change"
first picks Joe Biden as VP who voted for the War in Iraq,
then picks Hillary Clinton who also voted for the War in Iraq
as his Secretary of State, is picking all the Clinton retreads for his cabinet
and also just decided to the keep the George Bush Secretary of Defense
who runs the war in Iraq? Hasn't he also decided to not raise taxes on the
wealthy and may keep the Bush tax cuts in place?

some change!  ::)
« Last Edit: November 26, 2008, 09:28:50 PM by ChristiansUnited4LessGvt »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

Brassmask

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2600
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 06:25:36 PM »
Here we go. Bush was a figurehead, Obama's a figurehead. It's all a conspiracy........blah....blah....blah.
What did you think, everyone was going to be wearing tie-die's again, and the Lion was going to lay down with the Lamb?


You know.   For a moment there, yeah, I kinda did.

Brassmask

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2600
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 06:27:15 PM »
I agree Brass I bet some on the Left are going crazy....
How can they pleased that Obama the man of "Change"
first picks Joe Biden as VP who voted for the War in Iraq,
then picks Hillary Clinton who also voted for the War in Iraq
as his Secretary of State, is picking all the Clinton retreads for his cabinet
and also just decided to the keep the George Bush Secretary of Defense
who runs the war in Iraq? Hasn't he also decided to not raise taxes on the
wealthy and may keep the Bush tax cuts in place?

some change!  ::)

Exactly.

Now, if they turn out to be the machine guns that he uses to mow down all the nation's troubles then I'll be for them but I'm wary at this point.

BT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16143
    • View Profile
    • DebateGate
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 3
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 07:20:42 PM »
Obama is a calculating cautious sort.

He will be his own man.

The trouble is he might not be the man you or those at the Kos thought he was.

The question then is that on you or him.

"I am a blank screen upon which people project their own wishes"

Barack Obama


Sit back and enjoy the ride. If you get 1/10th of what you wanted from the man you are ahead of the game.

Take care of your family, teach your children well, be grateful that you have a wife who loves you, a job to go to, a piece of land to grow things and the joy and wonderment of watching Benjamin evolve.

You don't need any President to do that.

« Last Edit: November 26, 2008, 08:21:16 PM by BT »

BSB

  • Guest
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 07:35:16 PM »
Exactly right.

Lanya

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3300
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 09:34:45 PM »

I say we shouldn't impeach him before he takes office. 
Really, give the guy a chance. 
Planned Parenthood is America’s most trusted provider of reproductive health care.

chickencounter

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 09:53:18 PM »
Amen, Lanya.

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 10:13:50 PM »
I think that is safe to say that Obama thinks very seriously of himself as a representative of Black men everywhere. There are very, very few Black men that have excelled at running any country. I can think only of Mandela as one who has actually done a decent job. Mandela and perhaps a couple of presidents of Botswana, but no major country has ever in all of history has had a Black leader. Nigeria is the most populous Black country on the planet, and Liberia and Ethiopia are the oldest, and mostly their leaders have been extremely effective examples of how NOT to run a country.
I really don't think that he wants to screw up in any way. History is watching him more carefully than anyone in recent memory, and the US as well, as it is pretty much unknown for the son of a foreigner to be elected to office in any of the G-7 or even G-20 countries. I think Sarkozi's parents were French citizens.

Juniorbush obviously wanted to finish the "unfinished" first Iraq War, by throwing Saddam out. He demonstrated precisely why this was a really awful idea, and also taught a negative lesson about how NOT to overthrow one regime in an alien country and replace it.

As I see it, we can only wish Obama well, because our fortunes, like his, depend on his success, no matter what our political orientation is.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

BT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16143
    • View Profile
    • DebateGate
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 3
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 10:36:00 PM »
Quote
I think that is safe to say that Obama thinks very seriously of himself as a representative of Black men everywhere. There are very, very few Black men that have excelled at running any country.

Quote
I really don't think that he wants to screw up in any way

I don't think his racial self identity has anything to do with his cautious calculating mannerisms.

If anything he is post racial.

And to be honest if he isn't i would be extremely disappointed.

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 10:54:07 PM »
Was Mandela " postracial"?

I observe that although the ANC claims to be "non racial", they have yet to include any Whites, Asians and I don't think even "coloreds" in the party hierarchy.

It's never going to be that Americans will think of race as they now think of eye color. Was Nixon blue eyed or brown eyed? How about Carter? Truman? Biden?

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

BT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16143
    • View Profile
    • DebateGate
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 3
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 11:13:24 PM »
Quote
Was Mandela " postracial"?

Was Mandela half white? Did he grow up in Hawaii, where i would guess the percentage of multiracial kids far exceeds the national average?

Obama isn't Mandela. Different time, different place. And most probably a different attitude.






Henny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1075
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 12:46:16 AM »
As I see it, we can only wish Obama well, because our fortunes, like his, depend on his success, no matter what our political orientation is.


That is very well said, XO.

sirs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27078
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Bloom Coming Off The Obama Rose
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 12:51:38 AM »
Strange how that sure wasn't the train of thought when Bush was elected in 2000     :-\
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle